You must retain your first two hatchery fish on the Methow

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  1. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    The fervent tone of this thread has got me all worked up. I can't wait to bust some skulls. Unlike KerryS, the opportunity to rid the system of these inferior, mongrel, hatchery brats, tie them to my bumper, and drag their sorry asses back over the pass is worth the price of admission. ;)
     
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    I have been checking the flow charts and it doesn't appear to be low but then again, I haven't seen it first hand. Either way, I plan on giving it a go this weekend.
     
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    Here's a formula:
    1) Catch and whack a brat.
    2) Fish for hours with your hook point clipped off. You get the tug without the guilt.
    3) Put on a new fly before dinner, catch and whack your second brat.
    4) Go to the Schoolhouse Brewery and drink to your good fortune.
    5) Beg for Lex's approval.
     
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  4. Lex

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    whatever dude I'm just trying to make sure people understand as this illegal behavior is what got the river shut down early last spring. Your jackass response is exactly why I don't post on this forum anymore.
     
  5. Stonefish

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    I don't fish the Methow but have a question regarding the must keep hatchery fish regulation.
    Is the goal to remove as many hatchery fish as possible? If so, why limit the daily limit to two fish?
    What about four fish? Many rivers in the state have regs that offer liberal catch limits when excess fish are available.
    The only downside I can think of by increasing the daily limit is the additional fishing time might increase the encounters with wild fish.
    What would be your thoughts on this and thanks for your input.
    SF
     
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    It was four fish a couple of years ago. My guess is that the numbers of projected hatchery fish were down, and wanted to give more folks a shot at the fish - all while accomplishing the goal of removing the hatchery fish from the river.
     
  7. Freestone

    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Dave hit it on the head. The goal is two fold, remove the excess hatchery fish while providing fishing opportunity. Once enough brats are removed and/or wild fish landed, they'd have to shut it down so they set a harvest number that best accomplishes these goals.

    What many people don't know is that the NOAA Permit that makes any steelhead fishing possible is mainly about the removal of the excess hatchery fish by culling them at the dams. Only when certain conditions are met can WDFW even ask NOAA for permission to take out the excess hatchery fish through a recreational fishery instead. This approval hinges on anglers actually removing the brats and NOAA has repeatedly threatened to not allow fishing if anglers keep releasing brats.

    I am sorry if my posts have been a little blunt, maybe even over the top, but it was intentional as this is a problem every year because some people just don't get it - or care and threaten the very existence of this fishery. If it changed even one person's behavior, it will have been worth it to me.
     
  8. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast la flama blanca

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    When I first fished it, I was surprised at what good shape the fish were in for being so far from salt. There's no good reason NOT to keep them. Whack 'em and stack 'em. Just keep your expectations realistic--like any other steelhead river, 10% will catch 90%. If I can end my deer season early I'll be over for a day or two.
     
  9. TD

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    Freestone you make a good point. I've purposefully avoided this fishery every year its' been open specifically because I was not interested in participating in a meat fishery. I'm not certain why my thoughts have changed but at one point last year I noticed I was disappointed that I hadn't taken the opportunity to experience it while I could. So, this year, I didn't even think about it. When I bought my license in march I paid the extra money for the Columbia Endorsement and when I saw it was opening, I booked a room. Once I booked the room and started planning for the weekend, I noticed I was genuinely excited about it. I'm not really expecting to catch anything, its' steelhead fishing for crying out loud, but just the fact that if I do manage to hook into a hatchery fish and bring it to hand, then I can lay it in the cooler and bring it home and share it in a meal with family and friends, has added a certain level of fun to it all. I can remember your posts last season on this subject and I honestly think that you played part in my mind changing about this fishery.

    I must admit I'm bothered by the posts that express little to no respect for the hatchery fish. I am glad that we have the opportunity to go fish for steelhead with the possibility of bringing one home to smoke for the holiday table or bbq with friends and family. To me, this is something to be thankful for, not disrespectful toward. I think if more people approached it with more maturity, then it could become a yearly fishery that we could all look forward to instead of constantly wondering if it will be open and if it does, feel the need to rush out and hit it before it gets shut down. I think your posts have brought this to light and played a least some part in changing my mind. Now, you may not have intended to turn someone that wasn't interested it participating into yet another body on the water, but the point is, I feel I'm approaching it in a thoughtful manner that you are trying to instill in folks.
     
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    On the other hand, if someone sees you and drops a dime, you'll end up like Bobby Valentine (Sox ers) and find yourself kicked right out of town.
     
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    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    Always rubbing it in aren't you Josh.

    Go Sox,
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    Don't worry, at least we can both enjoy A-Rod and the Yankees death spiral.
     
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    If they need this regulation they are clearly planting far too many hatchery steelhead...
     
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