your dream set-up?

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by luckybalbowa, Dec 1, 2006.

  1. Brian Thomas

    Brian Thomas Active Member

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    BG , ... I have a Marryat MR9 as well ,. and I find that it is too light to balance my Torridge . Kind of a shame really , as it`s a good reel . The reels I do like on the Torridge , are the SA System 2 8/9 , or my Hardy Salmon #1. With the heavier reels , the rod is much more comfortable to fish all day .

    But , I suppose I could wrap 30 feet or so of leadcore around the arbor of the MR9 to make it serviceable . YMMV
     
  2. KerryS

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    I agree with both coach and salmo. I rarely have had a steelhead take any more then 40 to 50 yards of backing. And honestly I am not sure if I have any that took that much line. All most all of the large steelhead I have hooked made a small initial run and then sulked in the current with out much fight at all.

    With the number of us that perfer click pawl reels over modern drag reels that could double as winches to pull car engines, I wonder why no one has come out with a good click pawl reel besides Hardy. My perfect reel would be a 4 inch large arbor reel with click pawl and an exposed palming rim. I like my Bougle's but it takes a bit to get used to slowing the reel with your fingers instead of being able to use your palm.

    Hyjack complete.
     
  3. Rich McCauley

    Rich McCauley Meiser & Mohlin

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    I don't know that these are truly dream setups, but this is what I have ......

    Burkie 8139-3
    Peerless 4A
    Lines vary according to season and conditions
    I really want one of the new Nextcast 65' 8/9's when they become production.

    Burkie 9143-3
    Hardy Marquis Salmon III
    Lines vary
    This is John Hazel's old setup

    Currently building
    Burkie 7125-3
    Probably will use Danielsson 8/12 LW but I want a clicker like Kerry said
    Lines to be determined.

    Yes I have, and fish other setups, some of which that cost less than $300 including lines.

    While most of my fish take at best 20 to 30 yards, I am one of those who wants a minimum of 150 yards of backing. I have needed well over a 100 on the Thompson and seen others damn near get spooled with 200.

    I want what Kerry S wants .... click pawl, exposed rim, 4" or so, does not HAVE to be large arbor, and a Serpentine handle to make it truly distinctive.

    And yes, my fishing gear is worth way more than my truck or anything else I own. :)

    Rich
     
  4. Blue

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    An Oyster 5wt 7 1/2' Bamboo rod and a Hardy Angel Reel:thumb:
     
  5. Salmo_g

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    Kerry,

    I think it's because Spey is such a niche market. And since many of those in that market fall for all the other rod and tackle hype and glitz, they fall for the disc drags as well. That leaves a very limited number of takers for a 4" spring & pawl reel with palming rim. Even Hardy has discontinued its Salmon Marquis models 1, 2, & 3.

    I thought Ross had a hit a few years ago when they introduced the spring and pawl Colorado series. But there disc drag line cost only $40 more, and the Colorado was dropped after only maybe 3 years of production. People must believe they need those disc drags on trout reels!??!! I bought two as closeouts for $65 each. Used one for bonefish in Mexico; works great. If only they'd made a model large enough for a Spey rod . . .

    Sincerely,

    Salmo g.
     
  6. luckybalbowa

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    This drag v. click and pawl has gotten me thinking. (hi-jacking my own thread! :) )

    Sure I might not necessarily need a disc drag reel, but its nice to have for those rare occasions where maybe having a drag would be of help. The same goes for other gear I have. Sure I dont need high modulus rods to cast a good line, a wal-mart special would certainly do the job. I dont need feather inlays on my rods when I build them, but put them on anyways. The point is, I have a lot of gear that I could replace with something cheaper, but I dont because I like some little ancillary advantage they afford me.

    Plus, if I'm going to put money into buying a big game type of reel, why not buy one that will also work if I ever get the opportunity to fish something in the salt? This is another reason I purchased my Nautilus.
     
  7. Will Atlas

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    gotta use that pfluger medalist!! $29.00 of well made click pawl magic.
     
  8. KerryS

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    Lucky,

    I have nothing against reels with drags. I own several. It is just a preference of mine to use click pawl reels for steelhead. I feel more in touch with the fish and I believe I have better control. Palming is instantaneous. You apply pressure or release pressure right when it is needed. No knob turning. Palming a reel to slow a fish adds another dimension to the steelheading experience or for that matter any fishing experience. There is a certain amount of touch, if you will, to controlling a running fish by palming a reel. It is just one more of the many personal preferences that we all have when fishing.
     
  9. luckybalbowa

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    Now I can totally get down with that reasoning! Do what makes you happy.
     
  10. inland

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    The norm seems to be zero to approx. 20 yards of backing. Rarely 40-50 yards. And the abberation that really will take 100 yards.

    Aside from that the reason to have 150-200 yards of backing is so it doesn't take a week to wind it back in with an arbor the size of a dime. You know, the original large arbor design. Not because of being worried about getting posted.

    Dream set up...17' Grant Vibration Rod. And since we are dreaming an original Perfect. Most importantly a Grant square plaited continuous tapered silk line.

    Question: How would you get an exposed rim reel with an S shaped crank? What would be the purpose of the S crank besides being the 'thing that goes ping'?

    A properly designed spring and pawl system that lasts is no walk in the park. Especially compared to a compression disc drag. The angles and springs have to be perfect or they don't work right. Or sound right. Or wear out prematurely. Mind you this isn't all that hard to accomplish but the decisions are driven by market demand. If the demand was truly there everybody would offer such a reel. Hardy has had it figured out for a hundred years but even they only offer one large reel now. While the Bougle is a nice enough it's truly a step or 5 down from a Perfect. Everything else they sell in large sizes is some form of disc drag. Peerless has their 4A but IMO they hardly compare to a Perfect. One maker to look at is Kineya. They are offering a gussied up Marquis, in salmon sizes (305 and 306 are the model numbers), using a non-adjustable spring and pawl.

    GOOD LUCK finding any old Hardy's for reasonable prices. Especially with the latest price hike for the Bougle in '07 to $895. Only going to continue to push the price up and up for old Perfects and Marquis.

    William
     
  11. Coach Duff

    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    Lets see, I just picked up a mint spool for a Marquis 1 for 40 bucks, a golden Featherweight with spool mint for 90 bucks and got my Bougle Mark V 4 inch brand new on e-bay for 310 bucks. Good luck isn't needed, but like I said earlier, beating the bushes, finding ebay auctions that end at 4 in the morning, checking on the Hardy folks on Vancouver Island and the fifty million other ways to find a deal on a Hardy if explored often will result in some great deals. If I listened to folks like you I wouldn't own 8 of them from LHW Perfects with spools, Golden St. Aiden, St. John to (whatever you like) and got them all in new condition for great prices. It can be done.;) I will agree with you on the Kineya reels, I own a 301B and spool and its a great little reel.
     
  12. Hal Eckert

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    I have been using the MR-9 on my Torridge, nice rod it is.

    It must of been those old reel advertizements that got every one thinking they needed a strong disc drag , such as "strong enough to stop a train" etc we say over the years. Not needed for steelhead for musky yes, based upon my epic encounter with A Big Esox 12 years ago. Strongest fish I ever had on 40-50 lb fish we beleive, my 40 lb test line and strong drag were no match, but what a strugghle it was.bawling:

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    BG

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  13. Big Tuna

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    Coach,
    Your picture made it on the Kineya website!

    Jon
     
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    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    Thanks Big T. Duff
     
  15. Salmon Chaser

    Salmon Chaser Wannabe Spey God

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    I can relate on this side of the continent for Salar. Rarely have i had a fish break 50yds,,,, but ohhhh each one of those 50yds were hair-raising,, or white-knuckled,,, or bruised-knuckled:beer2: :cool: :beer2:
    As most of us know,, it's all about the click-pawl and the "connection" with the fish. I recently entered a thread about just such a topic and the guy was adament about drag and fine tuning and too much will lose the fish and not enough will lose the fish so you really need a ttrain stopping disc to calibrate to perfection in order to stop a 9"rainbow kind of thread:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
    Iuse a 3 5/8" LHW perfect for trout and light salmon and larger hardy's for salmon. oh yeah,, I have the Marquis #2 on a T&T 1409 that equals one of my dream set-ups!!!:cool:
    Good night lads,, and can we all say click pawl, click pawl, click pawl!!
    Salmon Chaser