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    1. Chris Scoones

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  1. Steelheader

    Only 3 more years until I can think like a fish.
    Nice dog.
    #1 2-5-05 6:49pm

    prana
    Just thought I would let you know that there are 11 species of fish listed on the interstate endangered species list including species of salmon and steelhead. I don't suppose you feel any ill feeling towards guiding services targeting any of those species. What affects does that have on the recovery of those species(native). For such a conservationist I am suprised to see you posting pictures of individuals harrassing snakes. What sport is that you are partaking in but I guess that won't have any affects on the trout fishery in eastern washington. Oh by the way that recovering fishery you are so diligently protecting, those fish aren't native species, brown's were introduced from Europe and those rainbows are most likely spill over from some planting done by WDFW in ----- Lake. Native species of trout were eradicated by poor land management more than 50 years ago not by overfishing in a catch and release fishery. Practice what you preach.
    #2 2-7-05 6:55pm

    chadk

    Be the guide...
    I read that 3 times and I still don't have a clue what you are talking about. Lay off the drugs...
    #3 2-7-05 11:20pm

    prana
    If you read it three times and didn't understand it, that should have told you something, it didn't involve you. How you made the leap from my statement to taking drugs, not sure, be seems that logic comes with the territory. Thanks for the insightful input though.
    #4 2-8-05 4:06pm

    chadk

    Be the guide...
    Well, if it was a 'private' note from you, why not use email or the PM functionality??


    Was the snake an endangered species? Was it harmed in any way?


    Perhaps the 'protecting' of certain 'secret' waters is simply to keep out crowds of anglers - not necessarily protecting the fish, but protecting the spot...


    What river is the picture above taken from? Do you know? Was the fish targeted or an incidental catch?
    #5 2-8-05 11:38pm

    prana
    Exactly my point, now if you would have read the whole original post, practice what you preach. My pointly exactly! You know really this doesn't have anything to do with you but feel free to keep commenting and reinforcing my point. Thanks though.
    #6 2-9-05 5:03pm

    chadk

    Be the guide...
    Oh, you have a point? That is refreshing to hear...


    It doesn't have anything to do with me? Why not handle this little grudge privately? Or is 'your point' only to try to point out some non-existent hypocrisy or something?


    Perhaps you can help me understand you perspective a little better. What does this mean:


    "For such a conservationist I am suprised to see you posting pictures of individuals harrassing snakes."


    Did you see some pictures that aren't on this site? Because I don't see any snakes being harrassed here. Do you really have a problem with someone picking up and carefully handling a snake? But I suppose you find it OK to hook and play fish where mortality is a real possibility??
    #7 2-9-05 7:04pm

    prana
    Like I said before, this doesn't really have anything to do with you, but I will play along. Do you think they like being picked up? Do you think when they came out of there hole in the morning they said, it will please me to be picked up by some random animal, I will try to get away but they will hold me tighter so that I can't. Wouldn't that be harrassement? Really the more I think about it you have no idea what I am talking about, my point has been made to the person it was intended for(not you) and as for the pictures I am referencing they were taken off this site.
    #8 2-9-05 11:36pm

    chadk

    Be the guide...
    You didn't answer my question. Do you fish? Is that not more of a 'harrassment' than picking up a snake?


    Do I think they like being picked up? I'll be sure to ask the next snake I pick up...
    #9 2-10-05 12:46am

    Jason Baker
    What the f*^ck? Chill out my man!
    #10 2-10-05 1:17am

    prana
    With your minimal knowledge of what is being pointed out here it just is a waste of time to try and hold your hand through the whole discussion from the beginning. I do fish and to touch on one of your quotes, I never stated I was a conservationist. You ought to re-read from the beginning. Once again thanks for your great insight and continueing to reinforce my point with the intended party.
    #11 2-10-05 11:39pm

    Zen Piscator

    Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.
    Prana- Please speak to Chris about the issue. You can private message or email him through this website. This is a public place, it is your choice and your mistake to post private information here. Chris is a respected member of this forum, who does alot of work to make this place happen. He started it, and so far i can find nothing wrong with anything he has done. I dont think he is worried nearly as much with protected non-native brown trout and mixed stock columbia basin red band trout as he is with native speices, mainly the ones that are hurting such as steelhead and salmon. But, i will let him speak for himself on this issue if he so desires. To my knowlege, chums (which is the fish pictured. This is not a snake, there are snakes in other picture how ever. If picking up one is abuse, i would be in jail many times over. I love snakes, and form my experince picking them up does not harm them, unless you snap or whip them. In that case their backbone will snap and they will die instantly) are coming in to our rivers that have fisheries for them in numbers than can tolerate angling pressure. Please be kind if you are going to post in public, unless it is in the section of the forum that allows this. Its not like this site is rigidly policed like some others, and we would like to keep it that way. Its a place for free thought and ideas. Please keep it that way. Regardless of what u can and can't do, keep in mind what you should do. Ask youself before you speak; is it helpful, is it kind, is it nessesary. Enjoy this forum, its a good place with great people. We are all generally working to conserve and protect our wildlife, hopefully you can help.


    btw chris, nice photo


    Peace,
    Andy
    #12 2-16-05 7:05am

    prana
    Once again you people remain to be clueless to my point. I agree it is a nice photo but due to the overpolicing that you are unaware that goes on I am unable to post pictures as other members in the forum are allowed. Thanks again and I will continue to post my free thoughts as you all respond with as well.
    #13 2-22-05 11:12pm

    Charlie Erdman

    In search of steel
    hey prana...you dont happen to work for PETA do you?
    #14 3-14-05 10:12pm

    Chris Scoones
    Quote:
    "Just thought I would let you know that there are 11 species of fish listed on the interstate endangered species list including species of salmon and steelhead."



    Which has nothing to do with this chum.


    Quote:
    "I don't suppose you feel any ill feeling towards guiding services targeting any of those species."



    A Chum salmon? No.


    Quote:
    "What affects does that have on the recovery of those species(native)."



    This one salmon was delayed by 20 minutes.


    Quote:
    "For such a conservationist I am suprised to see you posting pictures of individuals harrassing snakes."



    Careful handling of a bull snake isn't necessarily harrassing. It may bother you, but I'm guessing that a lot of things do. If you want to tag me with "conservationist" after having limited the exposure of a certain creek, I'm fine with that.


    Quote:
    "What sport is that you are partaking in but I guess that won't have any affects on the trout fishery in eastern washington."



    It's called, "catch the snake". And no, especially since it was in MT.


    Quote:
    "Oh by the way that recovering fishery you are so diligently protecting, those fish aren't native species, brown's were introduced from Europe and those rainbows are most likely spill over from some planting done by WDFW in ----- Lake. Native species of trout were eradicated by poor land management more than 50 years ago not by overfishing in a catch and release fishery. Practice what you preach."



    Nice to see that you're catching up with facts junior. Regardless of your self proclaimed efforts offline, the agency / tribe / whatever you work with, doesn't control this site or it's policies. The fact that you're ignorant of the size of this sites visitor base, the popularity of spring creeks and the risk of real negative impacts due to publicizing a healthy yet delicate fishery with it's overstated status, IMHO, isn't going to change my view. If you're able to somehow fuck it up for those who appreciate these gems to the point of keeping a respectful lid on them from those that are too lazy to find them on their own, that is your choice. Before pulling that trigger, understand that the choice would come with consequences.


    Good day.
    #15 5-12-05 6:56am

    chadk

    Be the guide...
    "It's called, "catch the snake". "


    I about spewed my coffee on that one... LOL
    #16 5-12-05 8:29pm

    Zen Piscator

    Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.
    dont mess, Scoones pretty much will lay you out, one way or another.
    #17 12-16-05 7:29am




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