Most of us just had a knot of yarn on the leader and we took turns trying different rods and combinations and just seeing what we liked. Leland brought a couple of prototypes from Orvis that aren't available yet. A few guys after the fun was over actually tried the water but I didn't hear of any fish being fooled. We did bring too many donuts, so there was probobly a weight gain on average. Bob P.S. I won't tell that it's a secret spot.