@Norm Frechette - do you have winding thread hidden beneath the chenille to hold the hair in place?
@Buzzy - yes. i tied the ultra chenille on behind the eye and overwrapped it to the bend of the hook. i then take 2 turns of chenille forward and attach a hackle plier to hold it in place. then i tie in the deer hair with tight turns of thread. i lift the butt ends of the hair and wrap the chenille forward to the eye. the butt ends are tied down by the chenille at the eye of the hook.