Scenes From The River (nooksack)

Josh

dead in the water
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Really tribal enforcement of tribe? Or, clean up crew, for the sole purpose of improved wasteful tribal image?

If it gets abandoned nets out of the river, it's an improvement no matter what the reason.
 

MotoBoat

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Can anyone tell me if they know of something they (the tribes) are doing right?
I suppose tribal owned Casino's, and hatcheries would qualify. Huge revenue resource from those Casino's that are profitable. Would fund tribal schools, hatcheries, offer employment opertunity to mention just a few public services I suppose.......ect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_Native_American_gaming

(A cut and paste from website above)

"Gaming can be extremely successful because it stimulates the economy, increases tourism to reservations, reduces unemployment, raises incomes, and increases tribal independence while reducing dependence upon welfare. Native American gaming has created over 300,000 jobs in the United States".
 

MotoBoat

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If it gets abandoned nets out of the river, it's an improvement no matter what the reason.
Agreed! But, if without accountability or penalty where is the motivation for change?

Being banished was a form of Indian punishment. Since Tribal history is so important to Indian people, perhaps bring this form of punishment back, as well as cleaning up of your own mess.

Wouldn't there be a government agency that would be very interested in determining whom left behind a half submerged boat with a petroleum burning engine attached?
 
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Dr. Magill

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Wouldn't there be a government agency that would be very interested in determining whom left behind a half submerged boat with a petroleum burning engine attached?
One would think. Especially due to how the fragile remains of the resource seem to be.
 

Chris Johnson

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I've seen this before and I'm disgusted by it. I'd like think this is the work of a few drunken losers rather than the native tribes as a whole. Can anyone tell me if they know of something they (the tribes) are doing right?
Well, they are involved in most of the major restoration projects on the rivers in the north sound. This is an example of a small number of careless people.
 

nooksacker

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Well, they are involved in most of the major restoration projects on the rivers in the north sound. This is an example of a small number of careless people.
All of these restoration projects are funded by our tax dollars and are more "feel good" than function. Meanwhile one would expect a casino to be lucrative especially if it is on a major state highway that leads to a ski resort 30 miles away. The Nooksack Tribe managed to bankrupt their casino in spite such advantage and it is now out of business.
 
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gjq

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All of these restoration projects are funded by our tax dollars and are more "feel good" than function. Meanwhile one would expect a casino to be lucrative especially if it is on a major state highway that leads to a ski resort 30 miles away. The Nooksack Tribe managed to bankrupt their casino in spite such advantage and it is now out of business.
Well, they are involved in most of the major restoration projects on the rivers in the north sound. This is an example of a small number of careless people.
It only takes "a small number of careless people" to do damage to the rivers, streams and ocean.
 

nooksacker

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Who did you think would pay for it? We pay for everything eventually.

You can rail against the tribe for ever, but the decline of steelhead runs lay at societies feet, not theirs.
Really, well I'm not among those whom left those nets with no regard and I expect nor are you or anyone else on this forum. None of us would ever consider such a thing to be acceptable. And further I do believe hatchery's may in part be to blame for the decline of steelhead runs and the tribes are a primary on going advocate for hatchery's. The Lummi Tribe is the first and last word in the declining health of the Nooksack always have been and always will be I suppose. Can't speak for other river systems. You show me a river where tribes don't have first rights and I can likely show you a river with recovering or healthy fish stocks.
 
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Josh

dead in the water
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This is one of those situations where there is more than enough blame to go around. Logging on the S. Fork? The diversion damn on the M fork? Manure and agri chem runoff in the main stem? And yeah, hatcheries and even derelict nets. They all play their part.

It's a mixed bag. Like I said, lots of blame to go around.
 

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