NFR Wild Sky Indeed. Liquid Landfill Comin' Atcha This Spring!

rpbfishin

Active Member
It has everything to do with those whom you select to manage the city. There are no other realities. You get what you vote for!
Yeah, there's the problem. If only we had elected the correct people. Then we would have the mayor and city council members locking arms to turn the addicts away as they arrive...

Give me a break.
 

wolfkill

Member
yep when you elect community activist and socialist to office,well this is what you get.I mean come on what do you think will happen when you give out drug supplies and create save zones to do your drugs.
 

bk paige

Wishin I was on the Sauk
yep when you elect community activist and socialist to office,well this is what you get.I mean come on what do you think will happen when you give out drug supplies and create save zones to do your drugs.


There is none of that in Gold Bar, it's the county and state that will not prosacute anything or hold criminals acontable for their actions anymore. And are the ones giving them the access to their demise.

And just how many people do you think run for offices in small towns like G/B, a couple years ago the mayor was only 35 and lasted 2 yrs. Vancouver has the same problems as Seattle with large heroine problems that streach out to the burbs and to the hills.
A couple yrs ago it was all meth, now heroine has taken over and is 10x worse. It's up to the state to solve this, unfortunately the pussification of the U S wil not tolerate what needs to be done.
 

Philonius

WFF Supporter
It's pretty easy to suggest a vague Get Tough approach which will clean these wretches out once and for all, but what exactly does anyone think can/should be done? Unfortunately, one effect of living in a free society is that people to some degree have the right to be absolute jerks, idiots, losers, addicts, and filthy homeless bums. They are all that; disgusting and despicable, yet at the same time, quite pitiful. Years ago, many of these people would have been institutionalized, put in the "nut house," kept heavily sedated, and off the streets. That's not likely to return, so what is the alternative; prison?

I'm about as forgiving and open to allowing people to make their own choices as they come, but it's clear that things have gotten out of hand. Every day here in Seattlopolis I see the ratty tents, the hillsides strewn with trash, the litter everywhere, the associated petty crime, the sad wasted lives, and wish something could be done. So what is it?

Law enforcement can't deal with the sheer volume of the problem, and the legal means to make people behave like decent human beings is very limited. Shall we do something like is going on in the Philippines where the government is coming down very hard on drug addicts? http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...o-drug-addicts-surrender-or-risk-being-killed

I turns out, they can't handle the number of addicts there either, and in many cases, the PoPo just kill them. I'd sure like to see this problem go away, but is that what we want here? You know how to deal with this, let's hear it. Maybe Roper is right, purification by fire?
 

freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
It's pretty easy to suggest a vague Get Tough approach which will clean these wretches out once and for all, but what exactly does anyone think can/should be done?

Petty theft in middle east countries is low. When people realize their are consequences for certain actions, they behave differently. Our prison systems have become a complete joke. Many repeat offenders time their actions such that if they get caught, they head for jail during winter months - time to get medical and dental work done, hit the weights, catch up on reading, etc. Their was a 60 Minutes episode years ago on this very situation. Perhaps if the time served was hard labor, without all the modern luxuries, the thought of going back would be a deterrent.
 

constructeur

Active Member
It has everything to do with those whom you select to manage the city. There are no other realities. You get what you vote for!

The fuck if it does Rolf. The problem is a god damn 50' wave, and so far no politician or administrator on either side of the political/moral/whatever spectrum has been able to address or deal with the issue.
 

jwg

Active Member
thinking out loud here...

So the land owner refused to do anything about the problem on his property, and refused (for some time) to sign the no trespassing order so the executive branch of local government could do something about it.

would this be a basis for condemning the landowners property, and might that possibility motivate the landowner?

A lot of people here express a belief in personal responsibility and accountability.
I don't see many fingers pointing at the landowner who tolerated it and apparently profited by it as well.

And look at the folks who turn right around and blame the government and society. Ironic huh?

What I read was the executive branch has its hands tied under the legal framework they operate, particularly if the landowner does not cooperate. So the problem would be on the legislative branch that creates the legal framework. (as opposed those elected to run the city, which sounds like a reference to the executive branch.)

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Buzzy

Active Member
I can't see where this country could set up a program like the Dutch have done; but then I'm not thinking out of the box. It just seems that the vastness of America would make clean rooms and free synthetic heroin to junkies not practical, housing in each county in every state? I don't know what the answer is.

@_WW_ (probably jokingly) suggests if drugs were as hard to come by as building permits made me smile (sad smile.) Heroin, crack and whatever else (except alcohol, tobacco and pot) are illegal but apparently easy to come by. It does seem that long, hard time in prison for dealers might help. Maybe. But probably not.
 

Josh

dead in the water
WFF Moderator
It does seem that long, hard time in prison for dealers might help. Maybe. But probably not.

We've been doing this for decades and it has not helped. Just gives us jails filled with small time drug dealers while we parole more violent criminals for lack of space. One could argue that we could build more prisons, but I promise you that nobody wants to pay for that. And the USA already has the highest incarceration rate in the world.


Strangely enough, in contrast to the USA's prison population and crime problems, the Netherlands doesn't have enough criminals to fill its jails these days.

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Again though, like I said earlier, I don't know what the real answer is. Nobody on this thread is really wrong. This situation is a mess. The buck keeps getting passed, from the criminals to the landowner to the law enforcement to the politicians to (eventually) the taxpayer. Meanwhile, the homeless and addicted keep suffering and not giving a shit what problems their activities cause, and the adjacent landowners and general public have to deal with the nasty infected results.
 
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flyawayfish44

Active Member
Again though, like I said earlier, I don't know what the real answer is. Nobody on this thread is really wrong. This situation is a mess. The buck keeps getting passed, from the criminals to the landowner to the law enforcement to the politicians to (eventually) the taxpayer. Meanwhile, the homeless and addicted keep suffering and not giving a shit what problems their activities cause, and the adjacent landowners and general public have to deal with the nasty infected results.

Agreed. Simply trying to solve the problem with jail clearly doesn't work (and never has), just letting them live out their junkie lives in "peace" doesn't work, and providing harm reduction/risk management programs doesn't seem to do much except keep the disease/deaths down, while the usage remains out of control.

Nasty, nasty problem.
 

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