Chehalis Dam

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#16
The odds of the Chehalis dam being built is less than 50% IMO. My reasoning is that the Corps can't get it over the mandated 1:1 B:C ratio. Therefore no federal dollars, unless the local movers and shakers (some old local money and real estate development interests) can swing a Congressional over-ride, and that chit was already spent 15+ years ago. But political memories are short, so never say never.

The plan is presently "owned" by 3 counties: Lewis, Thurston, and Grays Harbor, and the WDOE. If the plan were put up to a vote in any or all of the counties, it would fail. However, if the decision were made by county commissioners and the governor, they might be persuaded by those movers and shakers to stiff the taxpayers for this boondoggle project, despite the bad benefit cost ratio.
 
#18
This was kind of a fun read. So many of you, decades later of course, seem to be development experts. With that kind of knowledge it's amazing you led such normal lives and didn't break out with Elon Musk like enlightenment and leadership.

Ah, to be a tortured genius. How do you guys cope?
 

Shad

Active Member
#19
The development in that flood plain started out of ease, when they (foolishly) built I-5 where they did. Nice, flat places are easier to build on than hills.

Many of the box stores, etc. Were built there absolutely intentionally. Flood land is cheap, and insurance rebuilds.

Were it not for the location of I-5, this would be only Lewis County's problem. When I-5 flooded in 2007, it virtually stopped commerce through the corridor for days. That was very expensive for all users of I-5, which obviously extends FAR beyond Lewis County. That stoppage is the only reason the Feds are giving this any consideration, and to Salmo's point, the ROI is not close to penciling out, so this is still at worst a really bad idea, but we need to be vigilant.

Great shots of the upper watershed in the OP!
 

Shad

Active Member
#20
So what are the odds of this proposed dam becoming reality? I would venture to guess that most of the residents in this area are tired of the repeated flood events and like the idea?
Of course. They're the only ones in favor. Here's my assertion to them:

Rivers flood. Always have; always will. Wanna willingly live in a natural floodplain? Okay, but....
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#21
With that kind of knowledge it's amazing you led such normal lives and didn't break out with Elon Musk like enlightenment and leadership.
I'm so avant guard that I invented something comparable to PayPal back when I was in college. However, since there wasn't any internet at that time, there was no market for my idea. I just get too far ahead of myself sometimes . . .
 
#23
I'm so avant guard that I invented something comparable to PayPal back when I was in college. However, since there wasn't any internet at that time, there was no market for my idea. I just get too far ahead of myself sometimes . . .
Sort of like when a friend approached me with a business proposition back in the early 80's. He wanted me to go in with him on a business selling fancy "French and Italian style coffee" from little stands on the roadside. I told him I didn't think anyone would ever pay more than a buck and a half for coffee, and that his idea was goofy, and I declined. Guess what happened to him? One guess is all you get.
 

Shad

Active Member
#24
You're buds with Howard Lincoln? That there is a true Capitalist. Anyone that can sell over-roasted coffee for 20x its value and succeed is exactly the sort of entrepreneur I am NOT.

Do you have just a hair of regret over not partnering with him? You'd be benefiting handsomely from the Trump presidency if you had....
 
#25
Ha! Do you mean Howard Schultz? No, it wasn't him. But the guy made a TON of money by the time the Latte craze hit full on. Last I heard, he owns a Casino in Tahoe or somewhere.

Oh yeah, coulda shoulda.....

And then there's the time I was offered a bunch of stock in some company I'd never heard of for $2 a share. What is Microsoft selling for now, and how many times has it split?

Hindsight is........bullshit. lol
 
#27
That's sad, what's the justification?
The justification is that the car dealership and Wal Mart in chehalis flood along with some newer land owners who didn't realize this when they bought their dream retirement hobby farm. I've attended several meetings on this and the ignorance is astounding. I could spend an entire day quoting stupid shit people have said about their excitement in getting a dam and a lake.
 
#28
I am sorry I know that new projects get proposed every few years in the PNW but i don't think any of them have a snowballs chance in hell to ever get built. So i am not worried about this one.
Actually more traction than one would think. I originally had this thought. Our saving grace is that the tribe is against it and being Washington the tribe gets what the tribe wants.
 
#29
The odds of the Chehalis dam being built is less than 50% IMO. My reasoning is that the Corps can't get it over the mandated 1:1 B:C ratio. Therefore no federal dollars, unless the local movers and shakers (some old local money and real estate development interests) can swing a Congressional over-ride, and that chit was already spent 15+ years ago. But political memories are short, so never say never.

The plan is presently "owned" by 3 counties: Lewis, Thurston, and Grays Harbor, and the WDOE. If the plan were put up to a vote in any or all of the counties, it would fail. However, if the decision were made by county commissioners and the governor, they might be persuaded by those movers and shakers to stiff the taxpayers for this boondoggle project, despite the bad benefit cost ratio.
The co-managers have subtly indicated they will seek legal measures to block dam construction if it moves forward... however with all the claims of fish passage and the notoriously finicky political winds around such projects, we should treat this as a reassuring possibility, not an ace in the hole. As you point out.
 

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