SFR-Why Fishing has gone to hell in east of the Cascades.

Vladimir Steblina

Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working
#1
CSA/*MSA: 2016 | 2017 | Change | Percentage
Boise: 770,213 | 790,363 | +20,150 | +2.62%
Spokane: 707,921 | 721,873 | +13,952 | +1.97%
*Tri Cities: 283,799 | 290,296 | +6,497 | +2.29%
*Yakima: 249,323 | 250,193 | +870 | +0.35%
Idaho Falls: 239,329 | 243,805 | +4,476 | +1.87%
Bend: 203,019 | 209,998 | +6,979 | +3.44%
*Wenatchee: 117,240 | 118,478 | +1,238 | +1.06%
Moses Lake: 113,166 | 114,664 | +1,498 | +1.32%
*Pocatello: 84,379 | 85,269 | +890 | +1.05%
*Walla Walla: 63,989 | 64,614 | +625 | +0.98%
*Lewiston: 62,406 | 62,920 | +514 | +0.82%

Wow, Moses Lake is going to pass Wenatchee in the next couple of years. Almost 3 million people in the metro areas alone!!

That is only 800,000 less than the Sea-Tac Metro Area...
 
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35,000 when I lived in Bend, OR
The population figures are not for the city population rather for the Metropolitan Service Area. Did some digging and found "The OMB defines a Metropolitan Statistical Area as one or more adjacent counties or county equivalents that have at least one urban core area of at least 50,000 population, plus adjacent territory that has a high degree of social and economic integration with the core as measured by commuting ties."

Population of Bend is now over 90K
 
#8
MHO is the state of Washington does not believe that hunting or fishing brings $ into the state.
So the state does not invest in hunting or fishing opportunities/quality.
I'm very limited in what I see as far as the #'s of people, so I will use RF as an example.
Salmon and steelhead rivers were closed to fishing, so the only game in town was RF and I used to visit the creek in the middle of the week and have the place to myself. Not last winter, very crowded all the time.
I live within two blocks of the Columbia and less than a mile as the crow flies from the Wenatchee river and both were closed because...... you fill in the blank.....
A lot of dam water and no fishing.
Thanks for letting me rant
 

Greg Smith

Active Member
#9
CSA/*MSA: 2016 | 2017 | Change | Percentage
Boise: 770,213 | 790,363 | +20,150 | +2.62%
Spokane: 707,921 | 721,873 | +13,952 | +1.97%
*Tri Cities: 283,799 | 290,296 | +6,497 | +2.29%
*Yakima: 249,323 | 250,193 | +870 | +0.35%
Idaho Falls: 239,329 | 243,805 | +4,476 | +1.87%
Bend: 203,019 | 209,998 | +6,979 | +3.44%
*Wenatchee: 117,240 | 118,478 | +1,238 | +1.06%
Moses Lake: 113,166 | 114,664 | +1,498 | +1.32%
*Pocatello: 84,379 | 85,269 | +890 | +1.05%
*Walla Walla: 63,989 | 64,614 | +625 | +0.98%
*Lewiston: 62,406 | 62,920 | +514 | +0.82%

Wow, Moses Lake is going to pass Wenatchee in the next couple of years. Almost 3 million people in the metro areas alone!!

That is only 800,000 less than the Sea-Tac Metro Area...
The population of Moses Lake in 2016 was 22,082. That's about a 54% increase from my high school days 55 years ago.
 
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The population of Moses Lake in 2016 was 22,082. That's about a 54% increase from my high school days 55 years ago.
I graduated from Ephrata HS in 2002 (lived in Moses Lake though). I remember the population then being around 20k. So it doesn't seem to me it's grown all that much. Seems pretty much the same when I go back there to visit the family.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#11
You put that many people in eastern WA - gotta' wonder how that happens in the first place - and cuz everyone knows there's nothing to do over there, so they all go fishing. No wonder the fishing has gone to hell. : ^ )
 

Vladimir Steblina

Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working
#12
I graduated from Ephrata HS in 2002 (lived in Moses Lake though). I remember the population then being around 20k. So it doesn't seem to me it's grown all that much. Seems pretty much the same when I go back there to visit the family.
The Census defines metro area as the core urban county within the commuting area. So Moses Lake inclues Ephrata, probably Quincy...though it might be split between Wenatchee and Moses Lake, etc. etc.

That is because your use to thinking about suburbs and sub-divisions. Grant County is growing real fast. Driving around the county it is amazing the number of new homes out in the farm country. People are buying "vacation" homes outside of George!!!

I do remember back in the 1970's wondering why with cheap power, and interstate highway system, a huge airport, a railroad, cheap land and labor, and recently a state of the art fiber optic system Grant County was NOT a economic powerhouse.

I lived in Idaho at the time and was unaware of the western Washington bias in state government. Grant County was fortunate that western Washington thought it was where the state ended. When I-90 was built the Washington state legislature initially refused to pay the states share for extending I-90 to Spokane. They wanted to stop at Moses Lake. The Feds told the state it doesn't work that way guys.

But Grant County is finally overcoming that. It is the largest agricultural county in the state, but I was surprised that it is the 6th largest manufacturing county in the state. In fact, wages in manufacturing in Grant County are now equal to total wages in agricultural.

Salmo_g there is some truth in your comment. Also all the coasties moving over here....fish. Because they can over here. There is a selection mechanism as people moving FROM western Washington are either much RICHER or much POORER than the current residents of eastern Washington. They also move over here thinking it is less government, etc. etc. and totally unaware of the history of eastern Washington!!! The Peoples Republic of Chelan County welcomes them anyway....
 
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That is because your use to thinking about suburbs and sub-divisions. Grant County is growing real fast. Driving around the county it is amazing the number of new homes out in the farm country. People are buying "vacation" homes outside of George!!!

I do remember back in the 1970's wondering why with cheap power, and interstate highway system, a huge airport, a railroad, cheap land and labor, and recently a state of the art fiber optic system Grant County was NOT a economic powerhouse. I lived in Idaho at the time and was unaware of the western Washington bias in state government.

But Grant County is finally overcoming that. It is the largest agricultural county in the state, but I was surprised that it is the 6th largest manufacturing county in the state. In fact, wages in manufacturing in Grant County are now equal to total wages in agricultural.

Salmo_g there is some truth in your comment. Also all the coasties moving over here....fish. Because they can over here. There is a selection mechanism as people moving FROM western Washington are either much RICHER or much POORER than the current residents of eastern Washington. They also move over here thinking it is less government, etc. etc. and totally unaware of the history of eastern Washington!!! The Peoples Republic of Chelan County welcomes them anyway....
I actually grew up on a farm, family still lives out in farm land. Where they're at, it's all looking the same to me, as does the towns of Ephrata/Moses Lake. But I'm sure there's pockets of development both rural and urban I haven't seen. I tend to get in and get out of that place as fast as I can.
 
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Vladimir, I don't know where you got your information but the first portions of I90 (highway 10 at that time) began in Spokane. Original construction in many areas and more rural states started as 2 lane roads and later changed to 4 lane. Washington states share of interstate roads was generally 10%. Chelan County votes generally along Republican lines. I am not sure where that makes them The Peoples Republic.

Evan, in 2002 the population of Ephrata was just over 6,000, today it is 8000.
 

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