DanielOcean

Active Member
Yeah, there is a difference between DO's 92lb brothers trying to conk him with a foam bicycle helmet and a 300lb professional athlete trying to brain a guy with a helmet designed to withstand NFL-level hits.
Awfully pretentious don't you think.
 

underachiever

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The helmet is designed to absorb impact, not deliver it. What Garrett did is inexcusable but it's not like he tried clocking him over the head with a rock. All this clamor over "assault" is ridiculous. If that was the case, perhaps Garrett could use self-defense as his defense. After all, that crazed maniac Rudolph was trying to attack Garrett while he was being held back by 2 large humans.

In the 60's Juan Marichal hit a catcher over the head with the baseball bat. I wasn't alive then but I'm sure the outrage we're seeing now outweighs the outrage for that incident by an order magnitude. Social media and 24 hour news cycles only serve to ratchet up the frenzy. If that's the worst impact Rudolph absorbs in his NFL career, he'll count himself lucky.
 
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smc

Active Member
Where is the damn dislike button? That could pretty easily have been fatal.
There are several choices available to you if you choose the “Like” button. These choice will let you express your emotions, from bemusement to rage, or even just a simple “like”.

Just think how much better that football game would have been if Rudolph and Garrett had been able to use those emojis instead of their helmets. lol. :cool::D:eek::oops::(:mad::):rolleyes:
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
In the 60's Juan Marichal hit a catcher over the head with the baseball bat. I wasn't alive then but I'm sure the outrage we're seeing now outweighs the outrage for that incident by an order magnitude. Social media and 24 hour news cycles only serve to ratchet up the frenzy. If that's the worst impact Rudolph absorbs in his NFL career, he'll count himself lucky.
Hockey is a sport where fighting is common place yet...

  • 1905 – Allan Loney was charged with manslaughter in the on-ice clubbing death of Alcide Laurin. Loney claimed self-defence, and was found not guilty.[5]
  • 1907 – Ottawa Hockey Club players Harry Smith, Alf Smith and Charles Spittal were charged with assault after beating Montreal Wanderers players Hod Stuart, Ernie "Moose" Johnson and Cecil Blachford with their sticks.
  • 1907 – Ottawa Victorias player Charles Masson was charged with manslaughter after Cornwall player Owen McCourt died of a head wound sustained in a brawl. Masson was found not guilty on the grounds that there was no way to know which blow had killed McCourt.[6]
  • 1908 – Charles Spittal (of Renfrew Riversides) arrested for knocking out Oren Frood of Pembroke (UOVHL), Jan. 17, 1908; charge withdrawn, Jan. 20, 1908
  • 1922 – Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him.
  • 1969 – In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St. Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A fractured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969–70 season.[7] The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and Green for 13 games. Both men were acquitted in court.
  • 1975 – Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings was charged with assault causing bodily harm after he attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. In exchange for a no-contest plea, Maloney did community service work and was banned from playing in Toronto for two seasons.
  • 1975 – Police charged Boston Bruins player Dave Forbes with aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ended with a hung jury, charges against Forbes were dropped. Boucha suffered blurred vision from the incident and never fully recovered.
  • 1976 – Philadelphia Flyers players Joe Watson, Mel Bridgman, Don Saleski and Bob "Hound" Kelly were charged with assault after using their hockey sticks as weapons in a violent playoff game between the Flyers and the Toronto Maple Leafs in which fans had been taunting the Flyers players and spitting at them. Bridgman was acquitted, but the other three Flyers were found guilty of simple assault.
  • 1976 – Calgary Cowboys forward Rick Jodzio plead guilty to a charge of assault following a cross-check to the head of Quebec Nordiques player Marc Tardif during the World Hockey Association (WHA) playoffs. The hit led to a 20-minute bench clearing brawl.[8]
  • 1977 – Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hit the Pittsburgh Penguins' Dennis Owchar with his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted.
  • 1982 – Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and sucker-punched Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner, breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Mann was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg.
  • 1988 – Dino Ciccarelli hit Maple Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000.
  • 1992 – Enrico Ciccone of the IHL's Kalamazoo Wings was arrested on a battery charge after San Diego Gulls photographer Essy Ghavameddini was cut and received a deep bruise below his left eye that required stitches. Ciccone assaulted him after entering the penalty box where Ghavameddini was photographing the game from.[9]
  • 1998 – Jesse Boulerice of the Plymouth Whalers was suspended for the rest of the playoffs after violently swinging his stick at Guelph Storm forward Andrew Long. Boulerice was charged with assault as a result of the incident.
  • 2000 – Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the waning moments of the game, after losing a fight to Brashear earlier in the game. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge.
  • 2004 – In the Todd Bertuzzi–Steve Moore incident, Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punchedMoore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head, knocking him unconscious. The pair then fell to the ice with Bertuzzi's weight crushing Moore face-first into the ice, followed by several players from both teams further piling onto the mêlée. Moore sustained three fractured vertebrae, a grade three concussion, vertebral ligament damage, stretching of the brachial plexus nerves and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspension resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000. Bertuzzi was re-instated in 2005, after a 20 game suspension and an international ban during the 2004-05 lockout season. A civil suit filed by Moore, seeking CAD$68 million in damages and loss of income, was settled on August 19, 2014. The terms of this settlement are confidential.
  • 2015 - During the warm up before a qualifier to the SHL, André Deveaux from Rögle BK assaulted Västerås IK's unsuspecting Per Helmersson. Deveaux swung his stick and slashed Helmersson twice. The attack was retaliation for a hit from behind by Helmersson in the game before, which Deveaux claimed caused him a minor concussion. Both players could complete both games, and Deveaux was only disciplined after the game.[10][11] Deveaux was charged for the attack, but the charges were later dropped.[12]
 

gt

Active Member
LMAO if you consider that a "deadly weapon" then I am a victim of multiple attacks on my life by all of my older brothers growing up. Know any good attorneys? Something tells me you have multiple on speed dial!
i'll bet you have one of those handlebar 'whips' on your hardy ableson as well. i'll also bet you go to auto racing to see the crashes instead of superior driving skills. wake up mister, this was assault and any object can be defined as 'deadly weapon'. keep reading some other posters have some more interesting examples to share.
 

DanielOcean

Active Member
i'll bet you have one of those handlebar 'whips' on your hardy ableson as well. i'll also bet you go to auto racing to see the crashes instead of superior driving skills. wake up mister, this was assault and any object can be defined as 'deadly weapon'. keep reading some other posters have some more interesting examples to share.
In that case I would like to consider myself as a deadly weapon. Well, just not to steelhead.
 

Gyrfalcon2015

Wild Trout
Hockey is a sport where fighting is common place yet...

  • 1905 – Allan Loney was charged with manslaughter in the on-ice clubbing death of Alcide Laurin. Loney claimed self-defence, and was found not guilty.[5]
  • 1907 – Ottawa Hockey Club players Harry Smith, Alf Smith and Charles Spittal were charged with assault after beating Montreal Wanderers players Hod Stuart, Ernie "Moose" Johnson and Cecil Blachford with their sticks.
  • 1907 – Ottawa Victorias player Charles Masson was charged with manslaughter after Cornwall player Owen McCourt died of a head wound sustained in a brawl. Masson was found not guilty on the grounds that there was no way to know which blow had killed McCourt.[6]
  • 1908 – Charles Spittal (of Renfrew Riversides) arrested for knocking out Oren Frood of Pembroke (UOVHL), Jan. 17, 1908; charge withdrawn, Jan. 20, 1908
  • 1922 – Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him.
  • 1969 – In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St. Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A fractured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969–70 season.[7] The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and Green for 13 games. Both men were acquitted in court.
  • 1975 – Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings was charged with assault causing bodily harm after he attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. In exchange for a no-contest plea, Maloney did community service work and was banned from playing in Toronto for two seasons.
  • 1975 – Police charged Boston Bruins player Dave Forbes with aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ended with a hung jury, charges against Forbes were dropped. Boucha suffered blurred vision from the incident and never fully recovered.
  • 1976 – Philadelphia Flyers players Joe Watson, Mel Bridgman, Don Saleski and Bob "Hound" Kelly were charged with assault after using their hockey sticks as weapons in a violent playoff game between the Flyers and the Toronto Maple Leafs in which fans had been taunting the Flyers players and spitting at them. Bridgman was acquitted, but the other three Flyers were found guilty of simple assault.
  • 1976 – Calgary Cowboys forward Rick Jodzio plead guilty to a charge of assault following a cross-check to the head of Quebec Nordiques player Marc Tardif during the World Hockey Association (WHA) playoffs. The hit led to a 20-minute bench clearing brawl.[8]
  • 1977 – Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hit the Pittsburgh Penguins' Dennis Owchar with his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted.
  • 1982 – Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and sucker-punched Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner, breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Mann was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg.
  • 1988 – Dino Ciccarelli hit Maple Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000.
  • 1992 – Enrico Ciccone of the IHL's Kalamazoo Wings was arrested on a battery charge after San Diego Gulls photographer Essy Ghavameddini was cut and received a deep bruise below his left eye that required stitches. Ciccone assaulted him after entering the penalty box where Ghavameddini was photographing the game from.[9]
  • 1998 – Jesse Boulerice of the Plymouth Whalers was suspended for the rest of the playoffs after violently swinging his stick at Guelph Storm forward Andrew Long. Boulerice was charged with assault as a result of the incident.
  • 2000 – Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the waning moments of the game, after losing a fight to Brashear earlier in the game. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge.
  • 2004 – In the Todd Bertuzzi–Steve Moore incident, Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punchedMoore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head, knocking him unconscious. The pair then fell to the ice with Bertuzzi's weight crushing Moore face-first into the ice, followed by several players from both teams further piling onto the mêlée. Moore sustained three fractured vertebrae, a grade three concussion, vertebral ligament damage, stretching of the brachial plexus nerves and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspension resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000. Bertuzzi was re-instated in 2005, after a 20 game suspension and an international ban during the 2004-05 lockout season. A civil suit filed by Moore, seeking CAD$68 million in damages and loss of income, was settled on August 19, 2014. The terms of this settlement are confidential.
  • 2015 - During the warm up before a qualifier to the SHL, André Deveaux from Rögle BK assaulted Västerås IK's unsuspecting Per Helmersson. Deveaux swung his stick and slashed Helmersson twice. The attack was retaliation for a hit from behind by Helmersson in the game before, which Deveaux claimed caused him a minor concussion. Both players could complete both games, and Deveaux was only disciplined after the game.[10][11] Deveaux was charged for the attack, but the charges were later dropped.[12]
I miss Dave Semanko. Once, the Edmonton Oilers played an exibition game in the Tacoma Dome, we were on the floor when the players walked by in their skates. Semanko, Gretzky's personal body guard on the ice, strode by and looked about 9 feet tall-which he probably was..

At a later game in Vancouver, we had seats next to the penalty box-right there, only glass between us and players. A Canuck came in after a fight and was bleeding from a forehead gash all down his nose. Looked like he went thru a windshield.

He already had black eyes so he was not healed from the previous attack(s).

I have the photo somewhere.

It was great. No NBA crybaby stuff!

I miss the great linebacker/safety hits in football. I even like some biting under the pile, but not at the expense of players health.
 
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Creatch'r

Heavies...
Rudolph is a crybaby. He got taken down and then lost his shit first. He tried ripping Garrets helmet off as if that was a good idea. I mean what exactly was his next move had he been successful? The guy is twice his size. I don’t agree that Garret was in the right, I mean no pro athlete should be doing that on live prime time television. But WTF was Rudolph even thinking? He poked the bear and then the bear literally picked him off the ground by his helmet, removed it and then whapped him on the head with it. I’d call that a power move. Then Rudolph raised his arms and started looking for help from the refs..... GTFO.
 

Gyrfalcon2015

Wild Trout
This nearly same scenario just recently played out up north in the CFL. With local ties as well.


Montreal's QB Vernon Adams, Jr (EWU/Oregon), took the helmet off of Winnipeg's Adam Bighill (CWU), and swung at him. Not nearly as complete as the NFL version, still dangerous.

The weird thing was, Adams was not booted from the game and led his team to a big comeback win, then suspended afterward.
 
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b_illymac

Moderator
Staff member
2019
ROUND 1
Marquise Brown, Baltimore Ravens (25th overall pick): 7 games, 28 receptions for 454 yards (16.2 avg), 4 TDs.
N’Keal Harry, New England Patriots (32nd): Activated from injured reserve prior to Week 9; has yet to see regular-season action.
ROUND 2
Deebo Samuel, San Francisco 49ers (36th): 8 games, 30 catches for 339 yards (11.3 avg), 2 TDs (one rushing).
A.J. Brown, Tennessee Titans (51st): 10 games, 27 catches for 446 yards (16.5 avg), 3 TDs.
Mecole Hardman, Kansas City Chiefs (56th): 10 games, 21 catches for 437 yards (20.8 avg), 5 TDs.
J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, Philadelphia Eagles (57th): 9 games, 2 catches for 14 yards (7.0 avg).
Parris Campbell, Indianapolis Colts (59th): 6 games, 15 catches for 115 yards (7.7 avg), 1 TD.
Andy Isabella, Arizona Cardinals (62nd): 9 games, 6 catches for 174 yards (29.0 avg), 1 TD.
D.K. Metcalf, Seattle (64th): 10 games, 35 catches for 595 yards (17.0 avg), 5 TDs.
:):):)
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
I miss Dave Semanko. Once, the Edmonton Oilers played an exibition game in the Tacoma Dome, we were on the floor when the players walked by in their skates. Semanko, Gretzky's personal body guard on the ice, strode by and looked about 9 feet tall-which he probably was..

At a later game in Vancouver, we had seats next to the penalty box-right there, only glass between us and players. A Canuck came in after a fight and was bleeding from a forehead gash all down his nose. Looked like he went thru a windshield.

He already had black eyes so he was not healed from the previous attack(s).

I have the photo somewhere.

It was great. No NBA crybaby stuff!

I miss the great linebacker/safety hits in football. I even like some biting under the pile, but not at the expense of players health.
Not only was Semanko a great body guard for Gretzky but he was a half decent defenseman. Coupled with Paul Coffey they gave other teams fits. Semanko’s braun and power with Coffey’s puck handling and blinding speed.
 
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