Trip Report Montana 2019 (very photo-heavy report)

Craig Pablo

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Great report, awesome photos, just please tell me that this fish was legal to harvest and that you ate it. Otherwise, why the 1970's lip grab on a trout? I'm not trying to be all holier than thou, I just thought that well informed fishermen today (of which you seem to be) knew proper handling techniques.
 

Troutnut

Active Member
I'm sure that fish was fine. That was the quickest way to get a photo of its colors with one hand on the camera and get it back in the water. I'm all for careful handling, but some rules-of-thumb that are important in some situations end up getting taken as dogma in all situations. A brief vertical lip hold isn't going to hurt a fish that small (around 12"); it's more of a problem for larger fish (in which the ratio of body weight to tissue strength is higher), or if you're holding at more of an extreme angle and putting substantial stress on the jaw muscles, or if you keep holding on like that while it tries to flop around. If you know of any scientific literature to the contrary feel free to share the link. This grip wouldn't be found on any list of best practices, but I don't think there's any literature suggesting that it would increase risk of mortality or reduce growth in a fish of this size either.
 

Brian in OR.

Active Member
Great report, awesome photos, just please tell me that this fish was legal to harvest and that you ate it. Otherwise, why the 1970's lip grab on a trout? I'm not trying to be all holier than thou, I just thought that well informed fishermen today (of which you seem to be) knew proper handling techniques.[/QUOTE]



Craig I guess someone could say the same thing about the death grip you have on this fish....
give the guy a break................
Steller report and trip Troutnut
 

Craig Pablo

Active Member
Great report, awesome photos, just please tell me that this fish was legal to harvest and that you ate it. Otherwise, why the 1970's lip grab on a trout? I'm not trying to be all holier than thou, I just thought that well informed fishermen today (of which you seem to be) knew proper handling techniques.


Craig I guess someone could say the same thing about the death grip you have on this fish....
give the guy a break................
Steller report and trip Troutnut[/QUOTE]


Dear Brian, in Or.

I am human. I have made many mistakes. Am I squeezing the life out of this fish? Perhaps. I've also kept it very close to the water, in fact it's tail, anal and pelvic fins are in the water. Your comparison is akin to apples and oranges in my opinion. If you were to delve deeper into my past, I'm sure you would find pictures of me holding fish in a way worse manner than this. The thing is I have learned from my past mistakes, have tried to keep myself informed on how to protect our precious resource, and it's frustrating to see someone holding a wild cutthroat in that manner. My sarcasm regarding the 1970's comment was probably not necessary. What I do find sad is that, while Troutnut seemed to take my comments in stride, and did something constructive, offering information that I wasn't previously aware of (which I appreciate, and will look into further), whereas you take precious time to delve into my past posts to simply try and prove a point. The only point I got out of your post is that if your life is that sad and boring that you feel the need to not only try and start shit, but dig through my previous posts in order to do it, I actually kind of feel sorry for you.

Good day sir
 
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Craig Pablo

Active Member
I'm sure that fish was fine. That was the quickest way to get a photo of its colors with one hand on the camera and get it back in the water. I'm all for careful handling, but some rules-of-thumb that are important in some situations end up getting taken as dogma in all situations. A brief vertical lip hold isn't going to hurt a fish that small (around 12"); it's more of a problem for larger fish (in which the ratio of body weight to tissue strength is higher), or if you're holding at more of an extreme angle and putting substantial stress on the jaw muscles, or if you keep holding on like that while it tries to flop around. If you know of any scientific literature to the contrary feel free to share the link. This grip wouldn't be found on any list of best practices, but I don't think there's any literature suggesting that it would increase risk of mortality or reduce growth in a fish of this size either.
Troutnut,

Thanks for the info, I will definitely look into it further. As for my sarcastic reference to the 1970's lip grab, I do apologize. I wasn't trying to be an asshole or call you out, simply hoping to bring awareness to the ragility of our resource and our need to be constantly vigilant in our handling of fish.
 

Brian in OR.

Active Member
Feel sorry for me..... naw, your just part of the problem, people quit posting on the forums because of guys like you being the fish handling police. If your so worried about our sacred fragile resources why dont you take up knitting or chess....
 

Dustin Bise

Hot-spotting Sheriff.
I'm sure that fish was fine. .
bullshit answer. if your practicing catch and release you either let the fish go, or hold it in a manner approiopte for a picture on public forum of your trip through the locals backyard. we take great pride and effort in caring for native fish around here.
 

Dustin Bise

Hot-spotting Sheriff.
you also have another fish by the gills and one on the rocks. i wasn't gonna comment till i read your to lazy to care attitude answer.
 

Troutnut

Active Member
if your (sic) practicing catch and release you either let the fish go, or hold it in a manner approiopte (sic) for a picture on public forum of your trip through the locals (sic) backyard. we take great pride and effort in caring for native fish around here. ... you also have another fish by the gills and one on the rocks. i wasn't gonna comment till i read your to (sic) lazy to care attitude answer.
Bottom line: the original fish in question wasn't harmed.

I never hold a fish by the gills unless I'm keeping it, and I can't remember the last time I kept a native trout.

The one on the rocks jumped out into that position on its own after being released in the water. First time I've ever seen that. That's why I took a quick picture before re-releasing it. It says so in the caption.

I've devoted my whole career to studying and conserving native fish. I gladly worked crazy hours for many years for low pay to get a Ph.D. in the subject because I care about the cause, and I responded to the original question only after double-checking the scientific literature to make sure I hadn't missed any new work that contradicts what I wrote. Maybe you find that condescending to people about fish handling is a fun way to pass the time, but it would be better to take a friendly educational tone and focus on people who actually mishandled fish.
 
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Dustin Bise

Hot-spotting Sheriff.
Bottom line: the original fish in question wasn't harmed.

I never hold a fish by the gills unless I'm keeping it, and I can't remember the last time I kept a native trout.

The one on the rocks jumped out into that position on its own after being released in the water. First time I've ever seen that. That's why I took a quick picture before re-releasing it. It says so in the caption.

I've devoted my whole career to studying and conserving native fish. I gladly worked crazy hours for many years for low pay to get a Ph.D. in the subject because I care about the cause, and I responded to the original question only after double-checking the scientific literature to make sure I hadn't missed any new work that contradicts what I wrote. Maybe you find that condescending to people about fish handling is a fun way to pass the time, but it would be better to take a friendly educational tone and focus on people who actually mishandled fish.
csb. handle fish better or dont cry when u get called out about it on a public forum. you have the abilty to choose what photos you share.... these are what you picked.... not sure where in the PHD program they told u to hold cutthroat like a bass (and ya shouldnt even hold bass like that). id take an educational tone if i thought u had a chance in hell of actually listening or learning and tryinfg to set a better example with what you post and promote on your website. but you dont, you clearly are set in your ways and "know best".
 
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