Disgusted

dekartes

Active Member
#1
Just needed to vent some frustration and disgust here, as many are like minded. My family is tired of my diatribes concerning the Pebble Mine project.

This thing is happening. There will be a 600 foot deep pit and permanent slurry waters (behind the largest earthen damn ever constructed) located smack in the headwaters of the Nushagak. This is in a fluid watershed that supports the last grreat salmon runs of the world. We have spent billions trying to bring back runs here and all we need to do is leave them alone there. This wil impact that watershed at some point. I am seriously thinking of a packraft trip into this area to capture on video what we are destroying.

I would like to know how much the involed people are being paid down the road. Pruitt, Leopold, Trump, Brune, etc are lining their pockets at the expense of our wild lands future. For Gods sake, the Alaskan Commissioner for the Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) was emploed by the Pebble consortium.

The EIC prepared by the Army Corp of engineers is a joke, and no one cares. The last bit of protection that should have long ago been signed into law was stripped a few days ago.

When did the protection of our lands become Republican and Democrat? Does everthing have to be politicised? We need natural resources and i have nothing against mining, logging, etc in the right areas; NOT in Bristol Bay. Not when the reprecussions are forever. The toxic by waste NEVER goes away. Insane. Im done.
 
#3
Just needed to vent some frustration and disgust here, as many are like minded. My family is tired of my diatribes concerning the Pebble Mine project.

This thing is happening. There will be a 600 foot deep pit and permanent slurry waters (behind the largest earthen damn ever constructed) located smack in the headwaters of the Nushagak. This is in a fluid watershed that supports the last grreat salmon runs of the world. We have spent billions trying to bring back runs here and all we need to do is leave them alone there. This wil impact that watershed at some point. I am seriously thinking of a packraft trip into this area to capture on video what we are destroying.

I would like to know how much the involed people are being paid down the road. Pruitt, Leopold, Trump, Brune, etc are lining their pockets at the expense of our wild lands future. For Gods sake, the Alaskan Commissioner for the Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) was emploed by the Pebble consortium.

The EIC prepared by the Army Corp of engineers is a joke, and no one cares. The last bit of protection that should have long ago been signed into law was stripped a few days ago.

When did the protection of our lands become Republican and Democrat? Does everthing have to be politicised? We need natural resources and i have nothing against mining, logging, etc in the right areas; NOT in Bristol Bay. Not when the reprecussions are forever. The toxic by waste NEVER goes away. Insane. Im done.
Yes, everything has to be politicized because the masses of humanity demand it! For every one of us who see preservation there are three or more who see development $$$$$$$! I would ask you this question, "Are there any right areas left to mine and/or log?" Better question would be, "What happens when humanity expands to the point that there are no areas left"?

We finally have a few politicians willing to TALK about climate change being a crisis but I have yet to hear any one of them talk about overpopulation! Point being, if our population were not out of control you would not have to post this issue.
 
#5
I just came back from Tikchik Narrows Lodge, and fished the Nush, which was great. For now.
Lots of guests there from the gas development and mining industries, having a jolly old time. I wonder how these bastards reconcile their enjoyment of the splendor of the area whilst working to destroy it!
 

dekartes

Active Member
#6
I don't believe this needs to be party aligned. Right now it clearly is. I don't want to change the conversation, but, I don't like anything political right now. Quite frankly I have reached an exhaustion point with how the world aligns now. My category doesn't exist on the national level anymore. I think I am not un typical for my age group and coming from the west coast. I am also a Marine. My leanings cross between Republican and Democrat. I am selfish. I just want them to leave Bristol Bay alone and wild as possible, so it is there for future generations.
 

dekartes

Active Member
#7
BullerRiver1 - that is nutty. I'll be in Dillingham next week. I am too emotional about this stuff. I hope I don't see those people out and about. They all live in the short term and give a F*** less if an area gets destroyed. They'll just go somewhere else.

Habitat can be restored. If the copper and gold could be removed, the land put back, then the wetlands would do what they always do, I wouldn't be so upset. There would be an impact, but at least it would eventually recover. The fact that the toxic tailings are forever and the risk of that has been assessed as zero by the Corp of Engineers just tells you where this is headed.
 
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wetswinger

Active Member
#9
You that believe that conservation of public lands should not be political are naive. When the federal government controls the land and special interest lobbies pay big money to your representatives, their going to get what they want. Democrats seem to be less aggressive towards devlopment of the resources but they're no angels. Money rules the world. Until our lame government changes the laws to deflect the influence of special interest, it will be a challenge to protect any public lands that holds resources that some for profit company lust for.
 

FinLuver

Active Member
#10
And yet this rant's very life existence depends on the minerals mined.
Not to mention, the oil drilled, water dammed, forests cut, etc. etc.

But, as long as people continue to breed and need/want things...these activities will continue.

BTW...I agree that this watershed should be left alone.
 

b_illymac

Member Active
#11
Yes, everything has to be politicized because the masses of humanity demand it! For every one of us who see preservation there are three or more who see development $$$$$$$! I would ask you this question, "Are there any right areas left to mine and/or log?" Better question would be, "What happens when humanity expands to the point that there are no areas left"?

We finally have a few politicians willing to TALK about climate change being a crisis but I have yet to hear any one of them talk about overpopulation! Point being, if our population were not out of control you would not have to post this issue.
when I run instead of a tax credit per kid you will get a tax credit for no kids
 

garyk

Active Member
#12
dekartes, Keep the faith bro' There are a lot of people working against this project. The economics of the project don't pan out. We've won far larger battles for conservation against far larger opponents.

There are responsible ways of doing things and this project is irresponsible (as are the apologists for this craziness).
 

dekartes

Active Member
#13
GaryK - I hear you. As long as investors stay away there is hope - but for some reason the government is making this much more attractive to investors. Just feels like it is a wave rolling the wrong direction now. On an issue everyone thought was dead. Super depressing. At least this mobilizes those of us who live busy lives and find it hard to dedicate time to issues that are important. I'll be writing more letters and doing what I can. Groups that are more organized will I am sure start bringing lawsuites. Etc etc.. I just want the Bristol Bay watershed left alone. Won't comment anymore on the political side as no one can talk intelligently anymore - it will become an off topic rant of different proportions. Nothing is more polarizing than sticking a political name or slogan on a post now.
 

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