NFR Rant: I’m no huge tree hugger, but this is a crime.

SawyerJones

Active Member
I'm confident it was an incense cedar, closely related to red cedar but is an ornamental, not naturally occurring in WA wild landscapes. There foliage and bark is very similar, yet very different from a true western red cedar. I work in the forestry field - just wanted to qualify that, I'm not just spewing bullshit.

The thing I cant believe is that it took the crew 6 fucking days to take that one tree down. must be more property at risk out of the view of the photo's, even still, 6 days is insane. 6 days is like taking down a gigantic cotton wood between two houses surrounded by cars and landscape plantings.

The pavement to tree ratio in any city is a big bummer. I like to try and imagine what the forest looked like around lake Washington before settlers got to it. Massive, huge old growth fir and cedar forest, filled with bears, deer, cougars and lots of robust streams filled with salmon and trout.
 

jersey

livin' the dream
Part of my work involves HOAs. Although lucrative, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Power-hungry douchebags typically are the decision-makers. Not a kiss ass and I will speak the truth, typically it doesn’t go well.

That’s too bad JoJo. It would also be too bad crushed croutons were being spilled around her car. Dried bird shit is sometimes hard to clean.
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
When we were looking for a new home I had three main criteria; dead end road, no HOA, and at least one perfect tree. The home we bought is at the end of a private road, has over a dozen trees (at least one is perfect) and nothing close to an HOA. The four properties on the road are responsible for road maintenance which is somewhat an issue to get all to agree and we are all friends.
 

Jamie Dow

Active Member
Wow, so sorry. In Montana with our dry conditions, almost criminal to cut down a living tree (except in National Forests). Never had a HOA but hear horror stories.
 

Jojo

A sometimes eternal optimist
WFF Supporter
From the bark, it looks like a western red cedar to me. ( I'm an ex forest engineer ) They need a wet site, so, yes, it may have headed for the pool. They can do a lot of damage, so their reason may be legit, although your suspicion may be also.
@herkileez ... Thank you .. I did a lot of research online and came up with that also.
Can I ask you one more question? They could have put up a root barrier right? The aggregate is not buckling in any way that makes it hazardous for walking. The tiles kept popping off on one side and it got patched and they told me the roots could be seen from that area. They also told me the pool was leaking three inches overnight. So i took a photo with my good camera where the 4 foot depth mark line was to show it barely dropped even 1/4 inch. That was my first suspicion.
The tree was perfectly healthy. 9A45021F-FB37-4C87-BBA9-F817F2D83DC1.jpeg 8F762D7F-31B0-4683-B582-0F5C0B713B4B.jpeg C1182ADF-E2A6-483E-A11A-930BC87EE498.jpeg
 
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Jojo

A sometimes eternal optimist
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BE972361-B284-4117-B381-3214ECC6C707.png Those photos above i took this morning. Here is what i found online about Western Red Cedar. To me it looks the same.
 

Jojo

A sometimes eternal optimist
WFF Supporter
That is a shame, and I can assume you have no say I replanting a tree there?

I'll plant you guys a Cedar here, it will look good in 50 years
Thank you @Gyrfalcon2015 ! I do have a say because the Maintenance guy likes me. i’m Thinking Japanese maple. I know nothing will grow in the rest of my lifetime to provide the shade and sound barrier, but it would be nice to have some nice color. And we are looking at extending the laurel type bush around the fence. If anyone has ideas, let me know! I’m no arborist, but then i don’t think the guy the hired is one either, they just told me he was.

Edited to add: @SawyerJones , I can’t believe it’s taken this long either!

They started this tree Aug. 18 but have so far worked 6 of those days. They still need to grind out the stump. So by the time this is done, it will be 8 days to take this down. The owner of the company (who is actually a nice guy and apologized for having to cut it down) told me he is being paid $3500 to take it down. So i think he must be not making all that much money on it.

What was also stupid was they could have waited until the pool closed on Sept. 15 so as not to disrupt the last of the season. The owner of the company said he could have scheduled after the 15th too. So it’s inexplicable how this board operates.

RE: REVENGE: I love y’all’s suggestions about the board president and birds crapping on her car but she keeps in the garage. HOWEVER, i came up with a great idea. My patio has external speakers and is only a few feet from the pool. When the board president comes for her morning swim (in the sunshine now) i am going to blast hip hop from my Pandora account and dare her to knock on my door to tell me to turn it down.

I did also organize this. Six out of the 9 of us on the pool committee are resigning from the committee en masse.
 
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Buzzy

Active Member
In October my wife is taking possession of keys to a small apartment in Nagoya, Japan. We plan on spending up to four months a year there with one of the time periods during prime growing season. Our yard and garden is busy, requires lots of attention. Attention that we weren't able to provide because of being gone for almost all of June and part of July. We've been working hard since the second week of July to get caught up. Hence the thinking maybe a condo is a option worth exploring for the eight or so months a year we're home (wherever home might be). This thread has certainly opened my eyes about "condo" living.

Again, Jojo, sorry for this horrible change to your home. How incredibly frustrating. Buy lots of croutons.
 

Jojo

A sometimes eternal optimist
WFF Supporter
Thank you @Buzzy. I don’t want to put off condo living for everyone. Let me add some nice things about living in our condo community. I bought this place in 1992 and over the years saved enough remodeled in part where it’s now really nice.

We have some very good friends here, many of them single. The folks quitting the pool committee with me have been friends for a while now and we often have a gathering together to have wine or just meet at the pool. No one ever just knocks on doors unannounced so you don’t lose privacy that way.

When i walk to the bank of locking mailboxes i almost ALWAYS have some nice conversation with someone on the way over and back. So there is always a connection to the outside world if you are open to it. As we get older in years, i think this will be very important.

There are two older bachelor guys who i will often bring over a dish because i heard they eat frozen dinners. I have two neighbors who always looks out for our house when we are gone and they have the code to our garage. A new neighbor moved in and tripped and broke her hip and three of us, not knowing we had each done this, offered to walk her dog and to go to the grocery store.

Our community has a lot of units and i say in a crowd you can always hide. We could move, but then what if i get a next door neighbor who is horrible and has a terrible yard or a bunch of broken down cars in front or a continuous barking dog? There is not much you can do about it and a couple of bad neighbors is not easy to ignore. In a condo you can because here we have more friends here than those we can’t stand.

The other day one of the older ladies who i just know from walking around and seeing her at the pool came over and gave me a hug and said she was sorry about the tree and that she has always admired my spunk and passion and for standing up. That meant a lot to me.
 

rawalker

Active Member
Hey Jojo,
Better than hip hop, try the Gyoto Monks, throat singing from Mongolia. I personally like it, but I think I am the only one. The FBI used it to try to flush one of the crazy compound guys a few years back.
richard
 

Jojo

A sometimes eternal optimist
WFF Supporter
Hahahahahaha! Brilliant @Gyrfalcon2015 ! Not my kind of music but i can stream this loudly and then go for an hour walk, which is about how long she stays over there.

Also @rawalker i found an hour long YouTube of those Gyoto Monks throat singing. That is hysterical!

These are great ideas! She is not over there today dammit but next sunny day i’m Sure she will be.

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In reading online i do think it’s a western red cedar which i understand an arborvitae is a version of a younger one. I measured the circumference of the stump about three feet from the ground and it’s 140 inches around. I wanted to find out what that might mean in years. Just curious.

Had i known ahead of time i would have done all this research and gotten my own bids on digging up concrete from pool to put in a root barrier that stunts their growth. HOWEVER, i don’t believe that roots were a problem. I think that is a lie, but i still would have looked into it. They didn’t tell us on purpose i believe.
 

herkileez

WFF Supporter
@herkileez ... Thank you .. I did a lot of research online and came up with that also.
Can I ask you one more question? They could have put up a root barrier right? The aggregate is not buckling in any way that makes it hazardous for walking. The tiles kept popping off on one side and it got patched and they told me the roots could be seen from that area. They also told me the pool was leaking three inches overnight. So i took a photo with my good camera where the 4 foot depth mark line was to show it barely dropped even 1/4 inch. That was my first suspicion.
The tree was perfectly healthy. View attachment 210340 View attachment 210341 View attachment 210342

Looking at the stump photos, and your closeup of branches below, I'm back to believing it's a red cedar. From the growth rings, many showing up to 1/2" of growth per year, I'd say the tree was certainly healthy, and happy growing on the site (possibly due to the proximity of the pool... :) ) You can get a pretty good idea of its age by counting the rings on the stump in the photo, and adding +- 5 "seedling" years.
It's hard to say if some kind of root barrier would have been effective. I know, if I was the pool owner, I'd be very nervous if I suspected the roots were damaging the pool. A tough call.
 

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