Today, I tried to wean myself off the bobber.....

D C Brenna

Member
Yes. I have been exploring Euro nymphing for some time now and have just gotten a rod to accomplish the type fishing. I have never been much on nymph fishing but then, most of us like the visual of dry fly fishing. That is still my favorite but the bugs don't always come off when I'm there so the nymph route seems to be the way to go. I bought a nymph "extension" line to tag on to my floating line so when I am seeing no hatches, I can tag that on, change leaders and flies, and be ready to nymph fish in a matter of minutes. I haven't tried it yet but will pretty quickly.
You know you can fish dries without a hatch? Trout “lookup” in Most clear water conditions. Work on aerial mends and great presentations.
 

BC33

Active Member
Bobber fishin has it's time, and place. But, sans bobber, and being in touch with your business end, will give you better strike detection as a general rule........but you have to be rigged properly.

So I prefer no indo when it makes sense.

My typical approach on a big river like the D is high stick/euro, whatever u wanna call it, the shit out of close stuff, then bomb the further stuff with an indo rig.

I recommend George Daniels "Dynamic Nymphing.". Lots of great info on all of it...
 
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BC33

Active Member
My buddy and I actually did an unintentional experiment on indo vs sans indo, on the D during winter several years ago..

Fishin side by side on one of our favorite winter runs....it's a long run that looks like prototypical long indo drift.....so that's what I was doing....and I was picking up a fish now and again.....I'm confident in my weight and depth....I've indo fished A LOT on moving water over the years.....my buddy doesn't like to indo fish all that much, so he decides he's goin to fish a mono rig with the same flies I'm using.....protein B-fast(egg and worm)....he flat out out-fished me, which doesn't often happen....I introduced him to fly fishing.

Two points I'm trying to make...

1) strike detection.....the takes were very subtle that day, and I'm absolutely convinced I was getting strikes that did not register on my indo setup....we were fishing pretty much identical besides indo.

2) we never stop learning on the water....or another way to say it is, don't get caught up in what has worked before.....keep your mind open. I had had lots of success in the past, on that kind of water, in those kinds of conditions. On that day, I un-learned my automatic go-to of an indo setup in winter, in slower water.....and that's why I'm an addict.....constant discovery
 

MGTom

Living at the place of many waters
WFF Supporter
I've been working on it too. Another arrow in the quiver of techniques available. Been through the curve with a few over the years. Horses for courses. Nice to have options your confident in. Have fun with it, but indicators have their place as you know. I'm enjoying Tactical FlyFfishing by Devin Olsen on the subject. But it's not all "euro nymphing".
 

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Salmo_g

WFF Supporter
I've put so much effort in getting used to using a bobber with nymphs and midges at this point, I'm not going to work trying to make this tide turn, but if it does, then it does. I have sorta' gotten used to bobber fishing as faux dry fly fishing; I watch the bobber like a dry fly and react to it when it bobs under.
 

sroffe

Active Member
It's funny, I tight lined fished before I knew what a indicator was. I wasn't to successful, but, caught a few fish. I should have stuck with it. Might help me with drift fishing a yarn and corkie.
 

MGTom

Living at the place of many waters
WFF Supporter
It's funny, I tight lined fished before I knew what a indicator was. I wasn't to successful, but, caught a few fish. I should have stuck with it. Might help me with drift fishing a yarn and corkie.
I did the pencil lead, corkie and yarn first, maybe that's why nymph fishing seems natural now. Dirty, dirty, dirty.
 

Clarkman

Huge Fly Guy
WFF Supporter
You know you can fish dries without a hatch? Trout “lookup” in Most clear water conditions. Work on aerial mends and great presentations.

Cool, capt. Obvious. Why in the world do you keep going these multi-year old threads to the top? Thanks, I guess...
 

msteudel

Mark Steudel
When I was newer to fly fishing and thought I knew more than I did, I scoffed (in my mind) at a gentlemen from Georgia who said he nymphed without a indicator thinking he was missing out on lots of fish if he didn't use an indicator. Now 20 years later I'm learning euronymphing and thinking back about how stupid I was ....
 

jaredoconnor

WFF Supporter
The videos from Lance Egan and Devin Olsen are awesome. I purchased all three, over the last year and a bit. I've watched each one maybe 3-5 times and I find something new each time.

I resisted the whole tight-lining thing for a long time and tried to improve my patriot nymphing instead. I regret it. I have noticed that this is a common trend.

I never thought I would say it, but tight-lining a dry-dropper rig is becoming my preferred way to fish dry flies too.
 

Clarkman

Huge Fly Guy
WFF Supporter
All of this shit cracks me up....I mean we're fishing for trout....right?

Most folks who have been fly fishing for these trouts for a while now, have utilized the whole tight line techniques for a really long time....as we go through it, the technique hasn't changed, just the rigging to make it slightly more effective has. I'll never be one to argue that tight-line techniques are extremely effective at putting numbers into the net, but personally (just for me....ergo 'personally'), I find it a rather boring way to fish for any length of time. But that's just me. Then again, knowing where and how to throw a small indicator with a couple of small nymphs dropped off it 20' to 60' out and doing that well, brings me more joy and sense of accomplishment. But that's just me, re: the nymphing game....yeah, it's just a game...stop taking it so seriously. Then again, if the streamer bite is even reasonable, I'll just do that.

carry on....

btw, today, my snail pattern seemed to garner enough interest to keep it around...
 

jaredoconnor

WFF Supporter
All of this shit cracks me up....I mean we're fishing for trout....right?

Most folks who have been fly fishing for these trouts for a while now, have utilized the whole tight line techniques for a really long time....as we go through it, the technique hasn't changed, just the rigging to make it slightly more effective has.

Everyone has tight-lined with their normal gear. However, it barely works and is reserved pretty much just for pocket water; you have to have the fish pretty much right under the rod tip, because the fly line is so heavy. To say all this euro/contact nymphing stuff is slightly more effective is a huge understatement; it extends your range by an order of magnitude.

Joe Humpreys and all those folks were doing the whole no-fly-line thing a long time ago. Maybe this is what you're referring to. It's true that it's nothing new, but it was very niche and a lot of people never heard of it before a few years ago. I've been into fly fishing since I was about 10, but I didn't know contact nymphing techniques existed until maybe 15 years later. Even then, it was just an obscure thing that only competition dudes did. I didn't actually try it until nearly 10 years after that. I think you'll find there's a lot of people like this and many more who refuse to even try it.
 
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Clarkman

Huge Fly Guy
WFF Supporter
to say it "barely works" is a disservice to those of us who actually can do it well (I'm not saying that utilizing new types of setups doesn't help----just saying that it's not the one and only way to catch a helluva a lot of fish). Hell, one of the very best fly fishers I've ever seen only fished 2 PTs tightlined on his trout spey rod, no indi, no special leader, and just absolutely crushed it. Personally, I find it boring as hell. Could I catch 10 more fish in a day? probably, but at some point, when trout fishing, there's very little difference (to me) between catching 50 fish vs. 60 fish. just sayin'....(unless you're the ultra competitive type, in which case, you're in the wrong hobby....).

Btw, I stuck a really nice fish today on a streamer I tied....way more rewarding than the double digits I got nymphing....most under an indi, but a few not.

bottom line, it's great to have multiple clubs in the bag, not just a putter.
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