NFR Vegans Need to get Down from their Soapbox!

Evan Burck

Fudge Dragon
that's really all i'm saying. but also that generally it takes half a life-time to bugger your body with meat. just getting old and not moving as much is a WAY bigger problem for most of us.
Yeah, most do suffer that for sure. But food intake is a bigger cause of health issues than people think. Everything down to your gut biome getting out of whack which can cause mental health issues as well (ask me how I know). It's all related. Exercising on bad fuel is not gonna help as much as you'd think.

I work out and exercise 4-5x a week pretty intensely, but still struggled with weight and other such things until I figured my food intake out.
 

Pescaphile

Member
If meat's so bad, why are there all these processed fake-meat foods made of some sort of vegetable protien that are purported to taste "just like meat"?

I've yet to see any fake vegetables made from meats.
 

wadin' boot

Donny, you're out of your element...
These discussions are always interesting. Seems to me if you want to live well and long, study those that came before and won at living well and long. I work with couple in their 90's- both are mentally and physically fit. They mainly ate Mediterranean diet, were/are life long exercisers and did interesting work that they found fulfilling. That and not being poor helped.

If you want a pretty solid example of how to win...remember Jack Lalanne? the Weightlifter? How'd he get to be 96 and mentally sharp? Wikipedia makes for a good read...

 

b_illymac

Moderator
Staff member
If meat's so bad, why are there all these processed fake-meat foods made of some sort of vegetable protien that are purported to taste "just like meat"?

I've yet to see any fake vegetables made from meats.
It's not the "health benefits" of meat they are trying to imitate. It's kinda feeding on the uneducated if you ask me. The education is out there regarding these heavily processed substitutes but lots of people ignore.
 

quilbilly

gO dAwGs

FinLuver

Active Member
It's not the "health benefits" of meat they are trying to imitate. It's kinda feeding on the uneducated if you ask me. The education is out there regarding these heavily processed substitutes but lots of people ignore.
If people really knew the chemicals used to process foods; the industry would take a heavy hit or die out completely. But, people like quick n easy.
 

Evan Burck

Fudge Dragon
It's not the "health benefits" of meat they are trying to imitate. It's kinda feeding on the uneducated if you ask me. The education is out there regarding these heavily processed substitutes but lots of people ignore.
Not a single vegan I know eats meat substitutes. Most I know who regularly eat them get them because they're trying to eat less meat but don't know how to cook their own dishes.
 

smc

Active Member
A lot of people need to get off their high horse these days. Most people are way too uptight.
A soap box can be very useful when getting down off your high horse. And speaking of high horses... I had a dog many years ago that loved to eat pot, and peyote. She was not strict vegan but she was a good dog and got along fine with horses of all heights.
 
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SpudFly

Should be fishing
Don’t know if it has been covered, but if you have Netflix, “The Game Changers” takes a pretty in-depth look on this subject.

Well....not so much the preachy, Vegan chatter, but some of the science behind food. Good watch.
 

jasmillo

Active Member
Not a single vegan I know eats meat substitutes. Most I know who regularly eat them get them because they're trying to eat less meat but don't know how to cook their own dishes.
I know a few who eat them because they like the taste of meat, but are vegans or vegetarians for ethical reasons. I’ve tried a beyond meat burger to see what the hype is about. They taste good, almost burger like. More than any other veggie burger I have tried. Healthier, no, not likely. Is it dead animal flesh though, definitely not. Again, if that is your reasoning for being a vegan/vegetarian, you should eat the substitutes in moderation as well.

Eating a Beyond Meat cheeseburger and fries 3 nights a week is as bad as eating a traditional cheeseburger and fries 3 days a week. Most vegans/vegetarians I know understand this.

Edit: sorry...it’s international men’s day. Let me restate...Meat, meat, meat....errr.

I ate no steak today
I drank no bourbon today
I drank no beer today
I smoked no cigars today
I smoked no meats today
I ate a salad (with chicken) for dinner
I had a glass of white wine.....eeewwww.

I guess my “man” card needs to be pulled. Such a poor showing on a day like this.....
 
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SpudFly

Should be fishing
Full disclosure (with some really weird timing with this post), I have started changing over this past week to, what will most likely be, a pescatarian diet. Meaning, I'm planning to not eat meat, but I will eat fish.

I say "changing over" because the decision to do so came last week. However, it also came with a few hundred dollars worth of meat products spread across three different freezers. So, for the time being, I am eating/cooking meat every other day or so until it's gone. If you're making a judgement about me right now, please keep reading.

Anyway, I could bore you with the whole long story for why this came about, but let's make it really simple. 6 years ago, my body started to try to kill me with blood clots (3 major clots in 1.5 years). This came out of the blue after fishing for 3 days the first time it happened and I was in good health. I have been on blood thinners now for 5 years spanning my mid/late thirties and no specialist will say anything other than, "this is your life now". It completely [email protected]#$ed the lifestyle I had of mostly dangerous outdoor activities as hobbies.

About two and a half years ago I read the book Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton. It was the first time I started seriously thinking about what I was doing to my body and health with these meds, but it wasn't enough to make a change.

Recently, I heard data and then found studies on what meat does to your epithelial tissue in the blood vessels. It's not good for my clotting condition (Factor V Leiden). Then, I found people who successfully stopped taking blood thinners by stopping their consumption of meat. Even those with the same genetic disorder I carry.

So, yeah, for the chance to not take rat poison and not get blood clots....sign me up. I've never really enjoyed any kind of meat except fish anyway, but I have been eating meat 3 times daily since growing up on a farm/orchard. It's just routine, not enjoyment. Everything but fish kind of makes me feel like dogshit anyway. It's not a cruelty thing (I hunt), or a fad thing....it's a "live to see my daughter grow up and become an adult" thing.

For all the stuff written before this, just remember that there is more to not eating meat than just being a pretentious dickhead hoping to talk about themselves and condemn your choices.

I was super happy this week to find a family of 7 that will take any of my grouse or venison I procure so I don't have to give that up.

I also think there is another thing going on that people don't think about. I think your varied ancestral origin plays some role in the diet that is right for you. After all, we don't evolve all that fast, so I'm not surprised the only meat I'm ever excited for is seafood being Norwegian of descent. My wife has a good bit of Native American heritage and she is a beef eater through and through, although all red meat appeases her. For the past two years, she had rarely eaten chicken. I always thought it was weird, but then she found out she has an anaphylactic response to chicken (through blood testing).

I don't know man. Different strokes for different folks.

Now pass the beef jerkey.

Oh wait....
Fuck.
 

Jojo

Trout Thank Me
I haven’t read through all of these cause it’s been a busy week. But vegans... oh my, i put them on a list with other people that make me crazy:

1. Born again Christians who want to save me.
2. People who want to tell you about their dreams.
3. Grandmas who show you the 1,430 photo of their grandbaby looking exactly like every other photo they showed you.
4. Anyone that wants to show me even one photo of their cat.
5. People who feel likes it’s their job to correct everyone’s grammar.
6. Folks who SEEM neutral on an issue but really aren’t.
7. People who really ARE neutral.
8. That person who brings a bottle of wine to dinner and if it doesn’t get opened takes it back home with them.

I can think of more later.
 
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