(NFR) Do you carry a gun while fishing?

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#91
I carry bear spray. For me, it's the ultimate self-defense weapon...
I'm in the same camp as you, and for nearly all of the same reasons (though I hadn't thought of the Dukes of Hazzard-style car chase usage). I've been within an inch of buying a gun over the past decade, but after much thought, I believe carrying a large bear spray with 35' range is, on balance, the right thing for me though I recognize with eyes wide open that it is not a perfect tool.

In the end, neither a gun nor spray nor any other self-defense mechanism is perfect. That's the core reason why we keep having this discussion on WFF, and why this is one rare time when a dredged-up old thread is actually useful reading. I just miss Coach Duff's color commentary on this topic.
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#92
let me get this right if they turn there motor off and floated by you and they where not fishing when they went by you. in that case you where in the wrong. and give fly fisherman a bad name. But if the motor was on and the poles where out yes you can yell but it will not matter that's just the way it goes liv with it.
Slow down son. Speak more clearly so we can understand you.
 
#93
i grew up in a law enforcement family and around guns my whole life. taught well by my dad how to respect them and use them, and shown by example that using one for self-defense is virtually always unnecessary even if you are in law enforcement every day of your career. most of the guys i have known who have bought and/or carried have clearly done so for how it makes them feel. the rationale is always about protection, but none of them have ever been in a situation where having a gun would have made a difference or even been the best way out of the scrape. ego sells guns, and it's ego that sells bad decisions too. and i suspect that's why our justice system so frequently finds the "victim" to be more guilty than the perpetrator - because an emotional hijacking drove a stupid decision to use lethal force when there was another, less violent option.

i'm thankful my dad taught me that a gun is nothing to brag about or feel cool about, and how to respect how much irrevocable destruction they can cause in the blink of an eye - usually in the hands of a fool. i love them like any guy, but most people - even people who own them, have no idea what they are talking about when they boast about what they would do if threatened. too much fucking tv and not enough deep thought about the value of life. i bet there are lots of quieter men here who have defended this country or served in law enforcement in the past and have had the horrific experience of taking the life of another human being. i would be more interested in what they have to say on the matter.
Very nicely stated, dflett. Thanks.

In more than four decades of pretty sustained recreational activity in the mountains, forests, and streams in the lower 48, I have never experienced, or known anyone who has experienced, a life threatening situation where having a handgun would have provided a solution. Many people want to believe that the probability is more than infinitismally small, in order to justify their ego in carrying a gun in the out doors when they aren't hunting.

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PT

Physhicist
#95
Very nicely stated, dflett. Thanks.

In more than four decades of pretty sustained recreational activity in the mountains, forests, and streams in the lower 48, I have never experienced, or known anyone who has experienced, a life threatening situation where having a handgun would have provided a solution. Many people want to believe that the probability is more than infinitismally small, in order to justify their ego in carrying a gun in the out doors when they aren't hunting.

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That may be your experience and that of the people you know. I do know of 3 situation where a sidearm was used to de-escalate a situation. Hold onto your own beliefs. It's not us responsible, law abiding citizens who should be having this conversation. It's with the other element who has no regard for the law or it's consequences.

When I'm crashed in the back of my truck on the end of some logging road the last thing I want to to is disable myself by shooting bear spray from a confined space. Luckily, my dog has been enough to alert those people who wanted to "take my truck" that this wasn't an easy target.

When I was escorted from public property on the Sauk by a couple guys carrying revolvers, I didn't pull my Glock and escalate the situation. I just let them escort me to my truck and left while apologizing for whatever it was they wanted me to apologize for.

Carrying has never been taken lightly by anyone who has posted in anyone one of these threads. It's only been made light of by people who think the world is a slice of heaven.
 

dflett68

Active Member
#96
That may be your experience and that of the people you know. I do know of 3 situation where a sidearm was used to de-escalate a situation. Hold onto your own beliefs. It's not us responsible, law abiding citizens who should be having this conversation. It's with the other element who has no regard for the law or it's consequences.

When I'm crashed in the back of my truck on the end of some logging road the last thing I want to to is disable myself by shooting bear spray from a confined space. Luckily, my dog has been enough to alert those people who wanted to "take my truck" that this wasn't an easy target.

When I was escorted from public property on the Sauk by a couple guys carrying revolvers, I didn't pull my Glock and escalate the situation. I just let them escort me to my truck and left while apologizing for whatever it was they wanted me to apologize for.

Carrying has never been taken lightly by anyone who has posted in anyone one of these threads. It's only been made light of by people who think the world is a slice of heaven.
I definitely hear what you're saying PT, and I think we'd all want the option of a firearm if we knew we'd be in a situation where it would be the BEST or ONLY solution. I'm sure you would probably agree that the one real life example you described on the Sauk would not have been one of those situations. As your own excellent judgment on the Sauk illustrate, bringing the gun into the situation would have made it WORSE, and I think that's the point that lots of people here have been making. It's so rare for a gun to be the right option, but it's so common for the mere presence of a gun to lead to disaster.

And to take what Richard said another step, I would say that the law enforcement people I have known (quite a few, and lifers) spent 20-30 years walking into highest risk/probability circumstances possible for a firearm confrontation without ever pulling the trigger. I would acknowledge that part of the reason for that is the deterrent influence of all parties knowing there are guns about. Still, consider the incredible improbability of ever finding that shooting another human being with a gun is the BEST or ONLY option to save your own life or the life of another while out fishing, and then consider the incredible outpouring of energy for these gun threads whenever they come up. It seems a little out of balance. I've known a lot of guys who are into guns and the truth we all know is that self-defense is frequently (dare I say usually) a smoke-screen for the cool factor and the ego factor. Nothing wrong with thinking they are cool, cause they are. But when it comes to guns there's no such thing as being too realistic IMO.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#97
After reading this thread I'm scared to go fishing because I don't carry a gun while fishing as almost everybody else does. I guess I'll have to buy a big ass handgun so I can go fly fishing!!!!