Car break ins? Lenice/Nunnally?

nwtroutguy

The Tug Is The Drug
I think that arguments can be on both sides here.

Laws are difficult to change quickly, but yet having a strong deterrent would probably help cut down on crime. Look what they do in the Middle East...they cut your hand off for stealing. I support this 100%. With only one hand doing everything, you are now looked down upon in society. If someone breaks into my car or even my house, unless and here are the key words folks..” I felt my life was in imminent danger”... the law in Washington State..( even with a Castle Doctrine in place) states I cannot just shoot an individual. Hell, even in you own home if the criminal has their back to you and is running away and you shoot them, you are going to have some explaining to do. Does that suck..? Yes. Is it fair..?.. No for sure.

Personally, I just choose to be more selective about where I fish. If that means going to some of the same places more often or parking my car at fly shop and having them transport you... then so be it. At least I can go out and fish and come back to a vehicle that is not damaged or has been broken into.

It is unfortunate that we have to think that way, but with all that is going on with illicit drugs and COVID putting people out of work, we just have to be a little smarter about the way we do things.
 

wetline dave

Active Member
Driftless Dan,

You need to get your rig broken into and your stuff stolen and then lets hear what your liberal BS has to say.

Call a social worker and they will make you feel all warm and fuzzy and let you know you helped some scum bag enabled to sell your stuff and buy some more drugs.

Dave
 

Swimmy

Well-Known Member
Agreed Dave. When it happens to you I think your perspective changes a bit. I can't imagine having this kind of thing happen multiple times. Fuck a thief.

Fortunately that is not something that we have to worry about too much. With that said, there was a crime wave recently around Wise River on the Big Hole. Guess some folks decided to slash some rafts and took some boats that were anchored up, cut the anchor, and sent 'em down river.

While this is obviously shitty, could you imagine driving up river and all of a sudden see a half dozen boats floating down without anyone in 'em?
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Rocking Chair Fan

No more hot spotting
Car break-ins have been around for decades....

It is not a race, red vs blue, rich vs poor issue. It is a crime of opportunity. The perp takes advantage of the opportunity.... It is a have vs have not. Now you have it, a couple of moments they have it and you do not. Sheeesh!

I have had 2 break-ins. I came home from Bellingham (college) to visit my orthodontist. I woke up the next morning to find out my stereo, speakers, large collection of 8-tracks, battery, radiator, carb and battery were gone. It was a 63 Chev Impala SS with a 427. No longer... With the help of my dad we got the car back into running condition. A few weeks later I came back home from college for another orthodontic appointment. I parked closer to my parents place. The next morning my stereo, radiator, carbs and duo-carb intake manifold were missing. It was replaced again thanks to insurance. My friends Eric and Phil kept their ear to back channel and lo and behold some of my parts became available... We called King County LE and met over at the thief's house. King County LE started to question the parents and the perp. The perp's parent said 'He was home that night. What night was it?' At that point we all knew it was hopeless. On the way out the King County LE guy said ' there is street justice and we never catch them...'. A few weeks later the perps engine seized. No clue who did it. I was not in town... Have no clue to this day...

Think any LE official would say that now?
 
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Driftless Dan

Driftless Dan
WFF Supporter
Driftless Dan,

You need to get your rig broken into and your stuff stolen and then lets hear what your liberal BS has to say.

Call a social worker and they will make you feel all warm and fuzzy and let you know you helped some scum bag enabled to sell your stuff and buy some more drugs.

Dave
So, you mean to say, if I have my "rig" broken into and stuff stolen, it' okay to kill the suspected robber? Do you guys even re-read what you write?

Laws govern our nation. You are advocating breaking those laws. I do not, and it has nothing to do with my political leanings or whether I have be subject to crime. It has to do with being an American citizen.

None of you have given anything close to a reasoned explanation why it is okay to take the law into your own hands, except it seems that you feel it'd make you feel better.

None of you have given any indication that you're willing to do the legwork to change the laws, and enforcement of same, to provide adequate disincentive to break the law. If you were to accomplish this, I truly would applaud you for being a good citizen.

Point proven, I'm done here.
 

Bob Rankin

Tuglife
Getting your windows busted out while your fishing really takes the wind out of your sails. I could really care less about the shit they stole. I was pissed I had to go home, and get my window fixed. Now I’m worried about parking my truck while fishing. That sucks....

Driftless Dan
If I were you I’d be worried that I may have posted pics with my rig in them:)
 

Buzzy

Active Member
So, you mean to say, if I have my "rig" broken into and stuff stolen, it' okay to kill the suspected robber? Do you guys even re-read what you write?

Laws govern our nation. You are advocating breaking those laws. I do not, and it has nothing to do with my political leanings or whether I have be subject to crime. It has to do with being an American citizen.

None of you have given anything close to a reasoned explanation why it is okay to take the law into your own hands, except it seems that you feel it'd make you feel better.

None of you have given any indication that you're willing to do the legwork to change the laws, and enforcement of same, to provide adequate disincentive to break the law. If you were to accomplish this, I truly would applaud you for being a good citizen.

Point proven, I'm done here.
Dan - It seems that where you live the laws are adequate to govern your area and the police and courts do their duty with elected officials accountable?

Please do provide insight as to how you would go about getting laws changed, enforcement with teeth, judges who will enforce the laws and prisons where prisoners - when released, don't repeat their past criminal activities. Have you actually done this legwork? Please share.

Thanks for your wisdom.
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
I‘m basically a democratic socialist. You can take that anywhere you want. Here is how I look at some asswipe breaking into my house. I’m old, I hurt much of the time, I’m a two time cancer survivor that was told I had less than a year to live seven years ago. I’m not going to waste much thought or time on a thief. Basically a thieve’s life means nothing to me. If they break in while I’m home I will loudly announce I am armed and I am going to shoot you. I will continue to do this until I have a clear shot and then I’m going to do what I said. I’m shooting. As far as the law goes, I don’t care.
 

creekx

Director of Stoke
Presently the law prohibits me from physically stopping someone who breaks into my garage, hooks my boat trailer up to his truck, and begins driving off with it. Legally I can't do a damn thing unless the perp physically threatens me with bodily harm or I am 100% certain that he will.

I share your frustration. I want all would-be thieves to understand they are putting their lives in jeopardy (risking death) when they engage in breaking and entering, burglary, etc.

For the "property isn't worth a human life" crowd: That value judgement is made by the thieves, who apparently disagree and value their own life less than the property they are stealing.

As for the law, I guess it comes down to a debate about "reasonable means necessary" but you can act to protect your property and stop a crime in progress. That is not vigilantism.

RCW 9A.16.110
Defending against violent crime—Reimbursement.

(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
 

dustinchromers

Active Member
I share your frustration. I want all would-be thieves to understand they are putting their lives in jeopardy (risking death) when they engage in breaking and entering, burglary, etc.

For the "property isn't worth a human life" crowd: That value judgement is made by the thieves, who apparently disagree and value their own life less than the property they are stealing.

As for the law, I guess it comes down to a debate about "reasonable means necessary" but you can act to protect your property and stop a crime in progress. That is not vigilantism.

RCW 9A.16.110
Defending against violent crime—Reimbursement.

(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.

Having had a couple direct run ins with thieves in the act and using what I felt was reasonable means I understand how people get to the just shooting the bastards. Having experience with it I don't know if I want Dan and his NPR world beat book club deciding reasonable means. It's clear the two of us would interpret it differently. The solution? Maybe having your story as the only one ever told is easiest and most beneficial to man kind. Just a thought that can occur after lawyers and courts get involved. You see meth heads have relatives. Some relatives are connected. Some relatives would never envision their little angel robbing someone with a weapon. I mean they parented him by the new school full spectrum feelings book. What could go wrong.
 

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