Tiger 'skie tying discussion

Dr. Magill

Active Member
The body looks great, but you might want to swim that before you tie a mess of them. I've been generally disappointed with that style of fly on muskies (stripers, on the other hand, seem to like more sleek and less push). Slim heads don't kick, they just track the leader with the tail billowing along behind. To be fair, I don't fish tigers often and they do seem to be a bit of a different beast. You might want to try tying the same fly up to the head, then something a bit bulkier -- think tying a loose (don't pack it tight!) muddler-style head, then don't trim (or barely trim) the free ends. Yes, it'll look ugly, but don't overdo the hair. It'll give you a large-circumference head that pushes water without a lot of bulk or weight, and will cause the fly to haphazardly veer off in random directions at the end of each strip. Adding the head on a short shank will give you even more kick.
That is some great info. I’m following what you’re saying. Any thoughts on a flattened head - vertically flattened??
 

Dr. Magill

Active Member
So I'm wondering if the same patterns you guys fish in lakes would be appropriate for moving water. Thinking that it might be worth sacrificing some profile to get a fly down if there was some current, but I have zero experience with pike of any kind.

The reason I ask is a buddy caught this last week when twitching jigs for coho.

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Probably a fluke but if he has buddies, and I saw one, I'd want something appropriate in my box. Tough fish, wonder if it went down the "waterslide" or survived the "Bass-O-Matic". ;)

BTW they weren't sure what to do with it since they aren't supposed to be below the dam, so they released it unharmed.
That’s a nice one
Do you know what color the jig was?
 

SilverFly

Active Member
What a surprise too!!
That's for sure. We drifted the same river yesterday and showed me the spot he caught it. Good coho water but also a total ambush predator zone with slow/bouldery/undulating bottom on a sharp main current seam.

Not saying I'd like to see tigers in this river, since a handful could make a sizable dent in the smolt population. But, there is a ton of slow sidewater stuff with downed logs, large boulders, rock shelves, etc.. that seems to me, scream ideal musky/pike water water. Had my eyes peeled for suspended torpedoes yesterday.
 

ptychocheilus

Active Member
That is some great info. I’m following what you’re saying. Any thoughts on a flattened head - vertically flattened??
That can work, and if you like eyes it makes it easier to glue them in place well enough that they stay. It's really hard getting it evenly trimmed/balanced so that it doesn't just always want to roll to one side...
 

Clarkman

Huge Fly Guy
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It's really hard getting it evenly trimmed/balanced so that it doesn't just always want to roll to one side...
That's precisely why I've given up on it. I can get the action I want with much less trouble. That said, it's all about dedicating the time to master the technique to get it perfectly even.
 

Clarkman

Huge Fly Guy
WFF Supporter
So I'm wondering if the same patterns you guys fish in lakes would be appropriate for moving water. Thinking that it might be worth sacrificing some profile and or weighted to get a fly down if there was some current, but I have zero experience with pike of any kind.

The reason I ask is a buddy caught this last week when twitching jigs for coho.

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Probably a fluke but if he has buddies, and I saw one, I'd want something appropriate in my box. Tough fish, wonder if it went down the "waterslide" or survived the "Bass-O-Matic". ;)

BTW they weren't sure what to do with it since they aren't supposed to be below the dam, so they released it unharmed.

That's wild!

a while back I heard of one being caught in the Willamette near downtown PDX. Fortunately they are indeed sterile or you can imagine the havoc they'd create in prey rich environments...
 

Speyrod GB

Active Member
I have re-read the entire discussion and just now, something popped into my head when the discussion went to the shallower flats. I know Mayfield has a lot of grass and reeds. Has anyone thought about tying a weed guard on the fly?

I have a friend who ties them with weed guards just for that lake. I never cared for the weed guards myself. I also never really caught that many weeds. I usually tried to fish the tops, sides or just let the fly drop a bit in the holes.
 

Dr. Magill

Active Member
I’m a little confused on the reverse tie.
Once the stack is reversed and the “cone “ is being built up
Is it a no-no to wrap over the buck tail to control the angle of it?
 

ptychocheilus

Active Member
I’m a little confused on the reverse tie.
Once the stack is reversed and the “cone “ is being built up
Is it a no-no to wrap over the buck tail to control the angle of it?
Not at all, as long as it's not cinched down hard. You can also roll/pinch the stack between your fingers to get the shape you want. It'll take a few to get the hang of how much thread you really need.

Leaf fall is on here right now, so there's no way to fish without hanging a leaf on every cast. My least favorite time of year. Fingers crossed for another big storm to flush them out, or at least get them knocked down into leafpack on the pools...
 

Steve Saville

WFF Supporter
The reverse tie via Bob Popovics does not wrap over but up and then away to form a dam holding back the buck tail. You can wrap over but you take the chance of tightening it too much and the not getting the shape you want. You can do whatever you choose. It’s not a hard rule. There are none in fly tying.
 
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Clarkman

Huge Fly Guy
WFF Supporter
Jamie, didn't you grab Popovic's book? if not, take a gander at it...(Fleye Design). There's sooo much great info in there. As always, "less is more"...

If you're still not entirely sure, take a peek at an old Brad Bohen video or a Gunnar Brammer video (he's really good a walking you through things in detail while tying, so that's useful as well)

Cheers!
 

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