Some Myths about Catch and Release

Matt B

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WFF Supporter
I know I am over thinking this and we have beaten it to death, but I was thinking about those couple bleeders and tongue and eye hooked fish and worse that we seem to encounter. When I fish beads pegged above with a size 8 (or whatever) circle hook I always get nice corner mouth hook ups. I also find a slack line dumps the fish faster than a fly. Has anybody ever played with a tube type fly pegged above a hook. I did a quick internet search but didn't hit much. I'm guessing it would look like some of your saltwater ties? Something to play with I guess.
This was marketed as the Moffit fly system about a decade ago. It didn’t catch on.
 

dflett68

WFF Supporter
when i was actively fishing the strait for salmon, unclipped to clipped ration was probably in the range of 20-1. if the fish was bleeding, into the fish box irregardless. i knew it would not survive so why release. getting a citation is not a big deal and with one WDFW officer for 2 counties, i never even saw the guy working anywhere. oh, and the fish always stayed in the knotless release net, in the water, until i could identify clipped or not.
i really thought the irregardless thing was settled and universally understood by now, this being the age of information and all...i guess not.
 

MGTom

Living at the place of many waters
WFF Supporter
This was marketed as the Moffit fly system about a decade ago. It didn’t catch on.
Around the time I was rebuilding the MG and not fishing much, thx, I found some things to look at.
 

silvercreek

WFF Supporter
This was marketed as the Moffit fly system about a decade ago. It didn’t catch on.

Matt,

I researched the Moffit Angling System years ago.

The Moffit Angling System was considered "snagging" by the DNR of several states including Alaska and that was the reason it was taken off the market. The legal definition of snagging is when the fish is hooked outside the mouth.


"Snagging means an effort to take fish with a hook and line in a manner that the fish does not take the hook or hooks voluntarily in its mouth."

My understanding was when beading was first used in Alaska it was also determined to be snagging under the laws that were in effect at that time. After several years, the laws were changed and now the regulations specify define how far away from the hook the bead can be.

The Moffit Angling System was patented in 2006. The Moffit Angling System was advertised in several fly fishing magazines including Fly Fisherman. It is essentially the same as beading except it can be adapted for nymphs and other non beaded flies, AND it allows flies to be exchanged without retying the rig. They are swapped out on the system.

Patrick Moffit’s argument is that flies which are hooked near and outside the jaw are easier and more quickly removed than flies hooked on the inside of the mouth. So he argues that his system is less stressful on the fish.

Here is what Patrick Moffit’s Patent states:

”In accordance with a preferred embodiment of the invention, apparatus and methods are provided for improved fly-fishing.

Advantageously, a fly-fishing fly that does not require the line to be disconnected to change or remove a fly is presented. The flies can be added, removed, or pushed up the leader without the need for new knots thus greatly speeding and simplifying the changing of flies.

Another advantage is that two or more flies can be fished without tangles and without the potential of the free-swinging fly hooking the angler or fouling in the landing net when landing a fish.

Another advantage of the current invention is that the learned aversion of fish to the hook shape and to objects that do not orient correctly with regard to the water current is overcome.

The current invention also advantageously provides a soft fly body, which leads to a longer retention time by a fish, enhancing strike detection and hookups. The ability of the angler to detect a strike before the fish has expelled it from its mouth is a major factor in success.

An additional advantage offered by the present invention is that the flies assume a more natural shape than hooked flies, which better mimic the movement of fish food prey items in water.

The invention also offers the advantage of the use of small hooks with large flies, which reduce the mortality rate of released fish and the ability to use lighter lines and rods.

Advantageously, the invention also allows for easy alteration of the fly from weighted to un-weighted and from beaded to non-beaded flies using the same basic fly form.

Another advantage of the current invention is that the invention greatly reduces the numbers and styles of hooks that need to be carried by a fisherman.“










One state, Colorado, even changed their laws to accommodate the Moffit system.





There are several references to the Moffit system on-line.



As far as I know both beading and the Moffit System are still illegal in the states that I fish - Wisconsin , Montana, and Idaho.
 

Matt B

...
WFF Supporter
Matt,

I researched the Moffit Angling System years ago.

The Moffit Angling System was considered "snagging" by the DNR of several states including Alaska and that was the reason it was taken off the market. The legal definition of snagging is when the fish is hooked outside the mouth.


"Snagging means an effort to take fish with a hook and line in a manner that the fish does not take the hook or hooks voluntarily in its mouth."

My understanding was when beading was first used in Alaska it was also determined to be snagging under the laws that were in effect at that time. After several years, the laws were changed and now the regulations specify define how far away from the hook the bead can be.

The Moffit Angling System was patented in 2006. The Moffit Angling System was advertised in several fly fishing magazines including Fly Fisherman. It is essentially the same as beading except it can be adapted for nymphs and other non beaded flies, AND it allows flies to be exchanged without retying the rig. They are swapped out on the system.

Patrick Moffit’s argument is that flies which are hooked near and outside the jaw are easier and more quickly removed than flies hooked on the inside of the mouth. So he argues that his system is less stressful on the fish.

Here is what Patrick Moffit’s Patent states:

”In accordance with a preferred embodiment of the invention, apparatus and methods are provided for improved fly-fishing.

Advantageously, a fly-fishing fly that does not require the line to be disconnected to change or remove a fly is presented. The flies can be added, removed, or pushed up the leader without the need for new knots thus greatly speeding and simplifying the changing of flies.

Another advantage is that two or more flies can be fished without tangles and without the potential of the free-swinging fly hooking the angler or fouling in the landing net when landing a fish.

Another advantage of the current invention is that the learned aversion of fish to the hook shape and to objects that do not orient correctly with regard to the water current is overcome.

The current invention also advantageously provides a soft fly body, which leads to a longer retention time by a fish, enhancing strike detection and hookups. The ability of the angler to detect a strike before the fish has expelled it from its mouth is a major factor in success.

An additional advantage offered by the present invention is that the flies assume a more natural shape than hooked flies, which better mimic the movement of fish food prey items in water.

The invention also offers the advantage of the use of small hooks with large flies, which reduce the mortality rate of released fish and the ability to use lighter lines and rods.

Advantageously, the invention also allows for easy alteration of the fly from weighted to un-weighted and from beaded to non-beaded flies using the same basic fly form.

Another advantage of the current invention is that the invention greatly reduces the numbers and styles of hooks that need to be carried by a fisherman.“










One state, Colorado, even changed their laws to accommodate the Moffit system.





There are several references to the Moffit system on-line.



As far as I know both beading and the Moffit System are still illegal in the states that I fish - Wisconsin , Montana, and Idaho.
Okay. Maybe that will all be interesting to some folks. Summary: There were some good reasons it did not catch on.
 

MGTom

Living at the place of many waters
WFF Supporter
Matt,

I researched the Moffit Angling System years ago.

The Moffit Angling System was considered "snagging" by the DNR of several states including Alaska and that was the reason it was taken off the market. The legal definition of snagging is when the fish is hooked outside the mouth.


"Snagging means an effort to take fish with a hook and line in a manner that the fish does not take the hook or hooks voluntarily in its mouth."

My understanding was when beading was first used in Alaska it was also determined to be snagging under the laws that were in effect at that time. After several years, the laws were changed and now the regulations specify define how far away from the hook the bead can be.

The Moffit Angling System was patented in 2006. The Moffit Angling System was advertised in several fly fishing magazines including Fly Fisherman. It is essentially the same as beading except it can be adapted for nymphs and other non beaded flies, AND it allows flies to be exchanged without retying the rig. They are swapped out on the system.

Patrick Moffit’s argument is that flies which are hooked near and outside the jaw are easier and more quickly removed than flies hooked on the inside of the mouth. So he argues that his system is less stressful on the fish.

Here is what Patrick Moffit’s Patent states:

”In accordance with a preferred embodiment of the invention, apparatus and methods are provided for improved fly-fishing.

Advantageously, a fly-fishing fly that does not require the line to be disconnected to change or remove a fly is presented. The flies can be added, removed, or pushed up the leader without the need for new knots thus greatly speeding and simplifying the changing of flies.

Another advantage is that two or more flies can be fished without tangles and without the potential of the free-swinging fly hooking the angler or fouling in the landing net when landing a fish.

Another advantage of the current invention is that the learned aversion of fish to the hook shape and to objects that do not orient correctly with regard to the water current is overcome.

The current invention also advantageously provides a soft fly body, which leads to a longer retention time by a fish, enhancing strike detection and hookups. The ability of the angler to detect a strike before the fish has expelled it from its mouth is a major factor in success.

An additional advantage offered by the present invention is that the flies assume a more natural shape than hooked flies, which better mimic the movement of fish food prey items in water.

The invention also offers the advantage of the use of small hooks with large flies, which reduce the mortality rate of released fish and the ability to use lighter lines and rods.

Advantageously, the invention also allows for easy alteration of the fly from weighted to un-weighted and from beaded to non-beaded flies using the same basic fly form.

Another advantage of the current invention is that the invention greatly reduces the numbers and styles of hooks that need to be carried by a fisherman.“










One state, Colorado, even changed their laws to accommodate the Moffit system.





There are several references to the Moffit system on-line.



As far as I know both beading and the Moffit System are still illegal in the states that I fish - Wisconsin , Montana, and Idaho.
Thx for the detailed reply, it was more my question and @Matt B replied with an answer.
 

Steve Birrer

Active Member
I a a kick anytime there is a debate about C&R. Everybody cites studies and data that support their side of the argument.

Here are two 100% irrefutable FACTS.
1. If I release a fish it MIGHT live.
2. If I don't release a fish it is 100% dead.
 

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