IMHO - there is a problem with WFF

Rocking Chair Fan

No more hot spotting
We, the global we, had an issue with the post of a brand new member posting a TR on a great fishing experience, truly memorable, he just had. The post was: https://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/index.php?threads/158894/#post-162409. Several of us using the PM feature, me included, tried to educate the new poster about naming rivers, aka hot spotting, to avoid the wrath of shit that would follow if he did not remove the name of the river. It was a late night post and within a few minutes he fixed the post to remove the potentially offending information. No whip lash what so ever from him. KUDOs to Him! Unfortunately he did not remove the tag naming the river. @Thrasybulus made sure he brought this out in his post. His post made sure that the river was hot spotted based on that post. IMHO @Thrasybulus was actually the hot spotter by posting the name of the river in a post.... Most would not of even made the connection IMHO.

The OP was conveying a great fishing experience. It was very well written and definitely communicated why he was so pumped up. It was definitely something he will remember for a life time in addition to as how he was treated on WFF. A number of members thanked him (Liked) for the post (26 I believe), and a number of other members including @Gary Thompson, @Greg Price, @shotgunner, and @Rock Creek Fan thanked him in their own way.

Then @Dustin Bise gave him a thanks/post that was easily overlooked/not seen completely/easily mis-interpreted. The OP retaliated and comments were made about 'growing a thicker skin'. Is that what we expect from all new members to be thick-skinned? Where is the Sticky or Warning? Why should new members expect to be lambasted by longer term members? Is that what we (WFF) are to be remembered by? I hope not! IMHO @Dustin Bise could improve his communication skills and be a bit more welcoming and educational. Just because one is the self-anointed and self-proclaimed hot spot sheriff does not give one license to ruin membership of others.

Another thread with a newbie getting all sensitive.

The OP was articulate, well spoken, communicated clearly and understood squiggly blue lines. He put in the time and had great success. A catch of his life time for sure. I am sure it stoked a lot of us to put in the time knowing that one will be rewarded someday. Preaching to the choir I know...

Recently there have have been other new members/posters and they were chased off/ kicked off the site. When retaliation occurs, there is a 'pile on' mentality rather than accepting and providing advice on how to do better. It scares away new members and squelches new information we could all use to our own benefit.

Do I agree with a new member's retaliation? Absolutely not! But I have to question why a new member ever has to sink to that level where that occurs... Some of that is on us and we should look at ourselves to see if there is something we are doing that causes it...
 
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Old406Kid

Active Member
I think a mandatory New Member read and check the boxes on forum rules and etiquette would be helpful in avoiding this.
I've seen this happen to new members way too many times. Should they probably know better, perhaps, but many want to share their excitement and don't recognize the long lasting effect and added pressure it can have on a delicate fishery.
Often times the OP is initially apologetic but becomes retaliatory after the pile on herd keeps drilling at him, which BTW only adds to the hotspotting history.

Then there's the guy that calls himself Rock Creek Fan.:rolleyes::D
 

Old Man

A very Old Man
WFF Supporter
Why is it lately that nobody can talk about the names of skinny water. I can name about 100 places for skinny water fishing. It's the pin pointing that is not called out. If I mentioned the Big Hole Is that hot spotting. Hell that river is well known and it is about 150 miles long.
 

Dr. Magill

Active Member
OMJ I don't know the last time you were in Western WA. This place is crawling with people. Many are rude ass mo-fo's with no clue about the outdoors, fishing, etc. It really has morphed quite a bit. Places are packed - they double park on Hwy 2, they leave their shit everywhere. A guy goes to some remote place to escape it and the place is crowded.
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
OMJ I don't know the last time you were in Western WA. This place is crawling with people. Many are rude ass mo-fo's with no clue about the outdoors, fishing, etc. It really has morphed quite a bit. Places are packed - they double park on Hwy 2, they leave their shit everywhere. A guy goes to some remote place to escape it and the place is crowded.
It is not going to get any better. WFF has little to impact on the over crowding we are experiencing. In fact I would say WFF is here because of the same reasons our outdoors are crowded. To many people. Five and half million people call western Washington home. This is why things are fucked up.
 

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
WFF Supporter
I think a mandatory New Member read and check the boxes on forum rules and etiquette would be helpful in avoiding this.
I've seen this happen to new members way too many times. Should they probably know better, perhaps, but many want to share their excitement and don't recognize the long lasting effect and added pressure it can have on a delicate fishery.
Often times the OP is initially apologetic but becomes retaliatory after the pile on herd keeps drilling at him, which BTW only adds to the hotspotting history...

There is a world-wide fishing forum community that I belong to that the board's software prevents a new member from posting until a process is completed by the admin. The board software's UI is also quite unique and new users are routed through a "training" regimen and earn "badges" (everyone gets stickers :rolleyes:) as they get "certified" in the UI functions.

When I search the web for fly fishing information WFF posts often show up in the results. This obviously results in an increased web presence which can contribute to overcrowding. I did shudder last week when I read an area being openly talked about here that I am planning to spend a few days at later this month, but I am probably not going to jump on someone for talking about locations on public land. It would hurt though if it was one of my Curtis Creeks being bandied about.

As @Old406Kid mentions if the WFF UI would allow a mandatory rules checkoff before a new member can post, it might be helpful.

But I must say this forum is just way more contentious than the world-wide forum I mentioned above.
 
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Old406Kid

Active Member
There is a world-wide fishing forum community that I belong to that the board's software prevents a new member from posting until a process is completed by the admin. The board software's UI is also quite unique and new users are routed through a "training" regimen and earn "badges" (everyone gets stickers :rolleyes:) as they get "certified" in the UI functions.

When I use search the web for fly fishing information WFF posts often show up in the search. This obviously results in an increased web presence which can contribute to overcrowding. I did shudder last week when I read an area openly talked about here that I am planning to spend a few days at later this month, but I am probably not going to jump on someone for talking about locations public land. It would hurt though if it was one of my Curtis Creeks being bandied about.

As @Old406Kid mentions if WFF UI would allow with a mandatory rules checkoff before a new member can post, it might be helpful.

But I must say this forum is just way more contentious than the world-wide forum I mentioned above.

Brian, good points
BTW, can you point me to that forum...I really like badges and stickers.;):D
 

Matt B

...
WFF Supporter
The buried lead for me is the fact that several of you immediately sent pm's to the OP suggesting he remove his hotspot. Is Dustin is moving the needle?
Some of us have been sending polite PMs for quite a while. I've noticed that the right approach makes a real difference in people's reactions pretty much everywhere in life, chronic a-holes or overly thin-skinned folks excepted. Not much you can do to help those folks.

It is not going to get any better. WFF has little to impact on the over crowding we are experiencing. In fact I would say WFF is here because of the same reasons our outdoors are crowded. To many people. Five and half million people call western Washington home. This is why things are fucked up.
This is true, but WFF doesn't have to make things worse. I, for one, would appreciate some consensus on tips for posts about naming or not naming specific rivers or lakes.
 

DimeBrite

5X Celebrity Jeopardy Champion
There is a world-wide fishing forum community that I belong to that the board's software prevents a new member from posting until a process is completed by the admin. The board software's UI is also quite unique and new users are routed through a "training" regimen and earn "badges" (everyone gets stickers :rolleyes:) as they get "certified" in the UI functions.

This is a good idea. Do some basic testing, then a 6 month lurking period. Must show competency with the search function.

 

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