IMHO - there is a problem with WFF

Dustin Bise

reformed hot-spotter
Keep up the great job Dustin, appreciate all the hard work you're doing. You've got my vote again in the next election!
i wish i had the ability to do more. crying about hotspotting on here has virtually 0 real world effect on the challenges facing out rivers near dense populations. I don't expect WDFW to improve enforcement anytime in the foreseeable future (and i do support WDFW and wardens). I can't think of any rivers in WA that are fishing better now then they did 10 years ago, and thats a trend i expect to continue until we eventually love our native fish to death and lose the opportunity to interact with them outright.
 

Dustin Bise

reformed hot-spotter
i still remember the day that @Jmills81 e-slapped the hotspotting shit right out of me. (and i 100 percent deserved it) I appreciate that hard love lesson, and won't ever forget it. Sometimes being "mean" creates a much longer lasting impact then being "nice and complicit "

ps, josh, you were not mean. you were 100 percent real and in the right. do you remember?
 

Jmills81

The Dude Abides
i still remember the day that @Jmills81 e-slapped the hotspotting shit right out of me. (and i 100 percent deserved it) I appreciate that hard love lesson, and won't ever forget it. Sometimes being "mean" creates a much longer lasting impact then being "nice and complicit "

ps, josh, you were not mean. you were 100 percent real and in the right. do you remember?
yuuup. All good my man!
 

jasmillo

WFF Supporter
ive been documenting local violations for about 6 months now. maybe someday ill post a photo dump of people who poach and then brag about it online. if i assume i SEE 30 percent of the illegal fish taken from the local, then i have to assume there are at LEAST 500 fish being poached a year. yes, it pisses me off daily, especially since there is no real avenue to effect change without putting myself in harms way or stepping outsides the legal boundaries of what a citizen can do. if you think im a salty asshole, this is the majority of the reason why. and im ONLY using youtube/insta/facebook. i cant stomach getting into the apps like fishbrain or whatever else exists.

It honestly would drive you batty I imagine. If I was a WDFW officer, I would be on that app daily.

If I was in MT, shot a grizzly in an area closed to bear hunting and then posted on social media that I “harvested this black bear in closed area x”....fish and game would be all over it.

Posting I caught this coho (when it is actually and SRC) in this MA (when it’s closed to retention of coho...and of course SRC) basically goes unnoticed, it gets frustrating. Chinook misidentified as coho (and harvested), tiny chinook harvested when 22 is the minimum, clipped fish kept when its not allowed, etc, etc, etc.

It really opened my eyes to how many people break the rules. I saw 5 or 6 violations posted in one DAY and decided I needed to get rid of that app...not good for the blood pressure.

I do appreciate your mission Dustin. I disagree with your tone on initial responses on occasion but get where you are coming from.
 

cmann886

Active Member
We, the global we, had an issue with the post of a brand new member posting a TR on a great fishing experience, truly memorable, he just had. The post was: https://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/index.php?threads/158894/#post-162409. Several of us using the PM feature, me included, tried to educate the new poster about naming rivers, aka hot spotting, to avoid the wrath of shit that would follow if he did not remove the name of the river. It was a late night post and within a few minutes he fixed the post to remove the potentially offending information. No whip lash what so ever from him. KUDOs to Him! Unfortunately he did not remove the tag naming the river. @Thrasybulus made sure he brought this out in his post. His post made sure that the river was hot spotted based on that post. IMHO @Thrasybulus was actually the hot spotter by posting the name of the river in a post.... Most would not of even made the connection IMHO.

The OP was conveying a great fishing experience. It was very well written and definitely communicated why he was so pumped up. It was definitely something he will remember for a life time in addition to as how he was treated on WFF. A number of members thanked him (Liked) for the post (26 I believe), and a number of other members including @Gary Thompson, @Greg Price, @shotgunner, and @Rock Creek Fan thanked him in their own way.

Then @Dustin Bise gave him a thanks/post that was easily overlooked/not seen completely/easily mis-interpreted. The OP retaliated and comments were made about 'growing a thicker skin'. Is that what we expect from all new members to be thick-skinned? Where is the Sticky or Warning? Why should new members expect to be lambasted by longer term members? Is that what we (WFF) are to be remembered by? I hope not! IMHO @Dustin Bise could improve his communication skills and be a bit more welcoming and educational. Just because one is the self-anointed and self-proclaimed hot spot sheriff does not give one license to ruin membership of others.



The OP was articulate, well spoken, communicated clearly and understood squiggly blue lines. He put in the time and had great success. A catch of his life time for sure. I am sure it stoked a lot of us to put in the time knowing that one will be rewarded someday. Preaching to the choir I know...

Recently there have have been other new members/posters and they were chased off/ kicked off the site. When retaliation occurs, there is a 'pile on' mentality rather than accepting and providing advice on how to do better. It scares away new members and squelches new information we could all use to our own benefit.

Do I agree with a new member's retaliation? Absolutely not! But I have to question why a new member ever has to sink to that level where that occurs... Some of that is on us and we should look at ourselves to see if there is something we are doing that causes it...
Civility is largely lost these days and WFF is no exception. It would be good to remember to:
"Be kind when you remind" and when you are the one being reminded, "Respond with gratitude, not attitude."
 

SinglehandJay

Misanthropist
It honestly would drive you batty I imagine. If I was a WDFW officer, I would be on that app daily.

If I was in MT, shot a grizzly in an area closed to bear hunting and then posted on social media that I “harvested this black bear in closed area x”....fish and game would be all over it.

Posting I caught this coho (when it is actually and SRC) in this MA (when it’s closed to retention of coho...and of course SRC) basically goes unnoticed, it gets frustrating. Chinook misidentified as coho (and harvested), tiny chinook harvested when 22 is the minimum, clipped fish kept when its not allowed, etc, etc, etc.

It really opened my eyes to how many people break the rules. I saw 5 or 6 violations posted in one DAY and decided I needed to get rid of that app...not good for the blood pressure.

I do appreciate your mission Dustin. I disagree with your tone on initial responses on occasion but get where you are coming from.
I have been writing that to wdfw when they ask me to do surveys. I went on to fishdickbrain app and wanted to choke some of those people out. They post where they poached their fish from and their names with a picture. What more do they need?
 

Old Man

A very Old Man
WFF Supporter
This thread has a little bit of truth to it and a lot of bullshit in it. Not everybody stayed on point. It would be good if we, I mean all of us stayed on point in these threads. It would cut out the thread going in the other direction. I'll admit that I sometimes put the wrong words in a thread. After all we are not perfect.

Everybody have a good night. It's close to my bed time. Good Night.
 

Rocking Chair Fan

No more hot spotting
i wish i had the ability to do more. crying about hotspotting on here has virtually 0 real world effect on the challenges facing out rivers near dense populations. I don't expect WDFW to improve enforcement anytime in the foreseeable future (and i do support WDFW and wardens). I can't think of any rivers in WA that are fishing better now then they did 10 years ago, and thats a trend i expect to continue until we eventually love our native fish to death and lose the opportunity to interact with them outright.

Sorta wondering why you continue to be the hot spot sheriff for the board when "crying about hotspotting on here has virtually 0 real world effect on the challenges facing out rivers near dense populations".

I fully support you trying to protect local/nearby waters. I really do. Hopefully you will make an positive impact on the LSR. Wish other people had the commitment and tenacity to accomplish the same thing on their local/nearby waters.

Someone above indicated that hot spotters are not as concerned when the water is farther away. Probably true (partially at least). Maybe we can just let hot spotting be addressed by locals to the water who know and understand the specific waters well.....

RCF
 
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