Question...is Euro nymphing actually fly fishing?

LilCutts

fish & whistle
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I've heard arguments on both sides from guides and anglers on the east and west coasts. Some think it is, some think it isn't. Seems like a matter of opinion and where you draw the line on the definition of fly fishing. Thoughts?
 

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
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Although, to be fair, the founding fathers of fly fishing probably were also the people who decide who gets into Ivy League schools (or whatever the British equivalent was) over dinner at a fly fishing camp.
Interesting how colonials assume Brits as the "founding fathers of fly fishing" when there is evidence that the continentals were fishing with artificial flies in the first century BC,
(Fishing from the Earliest Times, however, William Radcliff - 1921)
Roman Claudius Aelianus mentioned Macedonians near the end of the 2nd century AD,
("They fasten red wool... round a hook, and fit on to the wool two feathers which grow under a cock's wattles, and which in color are like wax.")
and Japanese anglers were using artificials from the twelfth century AD.
("The Fly" - Andrew Herd)
Depending on the source, early writings mentioning those "British equivalents" were elevated above slinging worms was near the beginning of the 16 century, or later.
(The Treatyse on Fysshynge with an Angle - Dame Juliana Berners)
 

LilCutts

fish & whistle
WFF Supporter
The dry-fly-only purists just haven’t fished enough: they’ve been limited to trout in streams, and that’s pretty boring compared to what’s out there in the wider world. It’s kind of like arguing that rodeo or mounted archery aren’t equestrian sports because they aren’t dressed like tools and jumping cute little weenie obstacle courses.

We’re dealing with the ultimate fuddy duddies. Have these English-tradition gatekeepers ever heard of Atlantic salmon fly fishing? Prolly can’t hear well, what with the twisted knickers and all.
I beg to differ. I fish other methods (full sink, intermediate line, nymphing if I have to, ACTIVE Chironomid fishing, streamers, and a I’ve hardly been limited in places to fish having lived in the northeast, Colorado and Everett. Dry fly fishing is what I like best. Something about seeing the fish take your fly right off the surface...and I’m 38 (which to millennials probably does make me a fuddy duddy. However anyone who uses the term “fuddy duddy” should do some introspection because honestly who says that anymore.
Fish how you want, just please respect the environment and the fish!
 

CreekScrambler

Active Member
I beg to differ. I fish other methods (full sink, intermediate line, nymphing if I have to, ACTIVE Chironomid fishing, streamers, and a I’ve hardly been limited in places to fish having lived in the northeast, Colorado and Everett. Dry fly fishing is what I like best. Something about seeing the fish take your fly right off the surface...and I’m 38 (which to millennials probably does make me a fuddy duddy. However anyone who uses the term “fuddy duddy” should do some introspection because honestly who says that anymore.
Fish how you want, just please respect the environment and the fish!
You may prefer dries, but you also haven’t yet put in writing that when you say fly fishing, you mean dry fly fishing. You also haven’t tried to distinguish nymph fishing from fly fishing in writing. You are probably not a purist of DC Brenna’s caliber based on the variety in your fishing.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but:

Try slinging a Gen Z insult next time you want to put the kids down.....millennials are at least 25 by now.

By the way, I love fishing dries, too. I’m just not gonna pretend that a handful of old-schoolers have the keys to the castle on this one.
 

long_rod_silvers

WFF Supporter
I beg to differ. I fish other methods (full sink, intermediate line, nymphing if I have to, ACTIVE Chironomid fishing, streamers, and a I’ve hardly been limited in places to fish having lived in the northeast, Colorado and Everett. Dry fly fishing is what I like best. Something about seeing the fish take your fly right off the surface...and I’m 38 (which to millennials probably does make me a fuddy duddy. However anyone who uses the term “fuddy duddy” should do some introspection because honestly who says that anymore.
Fish how you want, just please respect the environment and the fish!
If you're 38, you are a millennial. Welcome to the club.
 

Swimmy

Practice your craft.
WFF Supporter
Every time Evan tells the group he and Nick are professionals, take a drink.
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Fast Action Freddie

Having a drink in The Buff
I am so glad I snuck into Gen X. We are such a cooler, non meaningful, irrelevant, useless, extrinsic, inessential, superfluous generational cohort.

Phew mom and dad for getting your groove on when you did.
You got it there what makes Gen X so complex, so alluring - it’s the juxtaposition of cooler and irrelevant/useless.

Kind of like a fine Nebbiolo from Barolo or Barbaresco — the yin and yang of notes of cherries/strawberries/rose petal perfume along with tar/tobacco/licorice. So contrasting and so Gen X and yet ‘who gives a shit?’
 

moon1284

Active Member
Dry fly > swung streamer > stripped streamer > nymph with fly line and no bobber > fly line with bobber. That's the hierarchy of fly-fishing. Bobbers barely make it and it's acceptable to debate whether using a bobber is truly fly fishing.

Nymph with mono isn't fly fly fishing. It's a couple steps below a Rapala, vibrax, or little cleo. It's about equal with drifting a worm, minnow, salted Minnow, skein or egg sack. It's classier than having worm or corn on a hook while your rod is resting against a fork shaped stick, although it's much less fun. Undoubtedly, all of the methods in this paragraph are considered fishing.

Centerpinning is the LCD and should be looked at with disgust and disdain. It is loosely considered fishing - just as soccer, roller hockey, and men's cheerleading are loosely considered sports.
 

D C Brenna

Member
Dry fly > swung streamer > stripped streamer > nymph with fly line and no bobber > fly line with bobber. That's the hierarchy of fly-fishing. Bobbers barely make it and it's acceptable to debate whether using a bobber is truly fly fishing.

Nymph with mono isn't fly fly fishing. It's a couple steps below a Rapala, vibrax, or little cleo. It's about equal with drifting a worm, minnow, salted Minnow, skein or egg sack. It's classier than having worm or corn on a hook while your rod is resting against a fork shaped stick, although it's much less fun. Undoubtedly, all of the methods in this paragraph are considered fishing.

Centerpinning is the LCD and should be looked at with disgust and disdain. It is loosely considered fishing - just as soccer, roller hockey, and men's cheerleading are loosely considered sports.
I like what you’ve done here, but I suspect it won’t go over well.
 

D C Brenna

Member
I beg to differ. I fish other methods (full sink, intermediate line, nymphing if I have to, ACTIVE Chironomid fishing, streamers, and a I’ve hardly been limited in places to fish having lived in the northeast, Colorado and Everett. Dry fly fishing is what I like best. Something about seeing the fish take your fly right off the surface...and I’m 38 (which to millennials probably does make me a fuddy d. However anyone who uses the term “fuddy duddy” should do some introspection because honestly who says that anymore.
Fish how you want, just please respect the environment and the fish!
Thanks! I thinks it’s been years since I was called a “fuddy daddy”! Made me laugh!
 

jaredoconnor

WFF Supporter
I feel like stripping streamers is closer to fishing a Rapala. You could literally replace the streamer with a Rapala, do everything the same and it would probably work. The same goes for fishing nymphs, with a strike indicator; fly and bubble rigs for spin rods are basically the same thing. I think the purity hierarchy is as follows.
  1. Drifting dry flies
  2. Swinging wet flies or streamers
  3. Euro nymphing
  4. Indicator nymphing
  5. Stripping streamers
  6. Trolling flies
  7. Bombarda
  8. Fly and bubble
 
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