Question...is Euro nymphing actually fly fishing?

LilCutts

fish & whistle
WFF Supporter
I've heard arguments on both sides from guides and anglers on the east and west coasts. Some think it is, some think it isn't. Seems like a matter of opinion and where you draw the line on the definition of fly fishing. Thoughts?
 

Paul Huffman

Driven by irrational exuberance.
A euro nymph line is a conventional fly line. That is the whole point of it. It is putting a conventional fly line that is as thin as possible on your reel to stay legal. Otherwise you would just use 30 feet of mono and call it a day. Anglers in Europe who aren't following FIPS regulations have no problem spooling up the whole reel with mono.

The funny thing with people who don't regard it as "real" fly fishing (not you, Paul) is that this whole style (excluding actual Czech/Polish nymphing) was developed within the confines of a set of rules to make sure people were still "fly fishing". A fly line no less than 0.022" must be used, no indicator can be used, leader cannot be more than 2x the length of your rod, dropper flies cannot be tied on the bend of the hook. There are other rules I am forgetting. Anglers who are following FIPS regulations are using a stricter definition of fly fishing than most anglers in "fly-fishing only" waters. There are methods allowed in "fly-fishing only" waters that would not be allowed in a FIPS competition.

If Washington or Oregon regulations were written to specifically exclude French or Spanish-style (competition) nymphing it would be incredibly obvious and ridiculous. If you started talking about regulating the use of a fly line, then fishing a conventional fly fishing style with just the leader out the rod tip would arguably be illegal. Besides, I think it is too popular for them to ban it.
Sometimes I wonder why use a euro fly line at all. Why not tie the sighter leader to a section of Wonder Braid, or just mono. I don’t have to cast very far usually but it‘s the loop on the euro line, now replaced by a small nail knot, catching a guide, or just the slack in the euro line slapping up against the rod that limits longer casts. It seems like mono all the way would suffice for Selective Gear Rules.
 

Dustin Bise

reformed hot-spotter
Sometimes I wonder why use a euro fly line at all. Why not tie the sighter leader to a section of Wonder Braid, or just mono. I don’t have to cast very far usually but it‘s the loop on the euro line, now replaced by a small nail knot, catching a guide, or just the slack in the euro line slapping up against the rod that limits longer casts. It seems like mono all the way would suffice for Selective Gear Rules.
selective gear, and fly fishing only, are separate rulesets.
 

Salmo_g

WFF Supporter
If Euro nymphing was actually fly fishing, it would be called fly fishing and not Euro nymphing. I can't believe this is going on for 16 pages. Besides, I checked with Rob Allen about Euro nymphing, you know, the binary guy who sees things in black and white. He said Euro nymping isn't fly fishing. Really now, that should settle the matter, once and for all.
 

LilCutts

fish & whistle
WFF Supporter
Funny thing is, all the noobs to fly fishing have never even heard of drag-nymphing, they only know the buzzwords of "czech nymphing" or "euro-nymphing" without understanding that pacific northwest gear fishing for steelhead played a minor role on those techniques.

Not sure why folks always feel the need to "elevate" their interpretation of a sport. You poke a sharp, pointy thing through a fishes head and call it sport. Deal with it.
I'm a noob at fly fishing?! Wow, I've been fly fishing for 24 years and the members of my fishing club who are mostly in their 50s-80s call it euro nymphing. I will let them know at our next meeting that they are all noobs.
 

moon1284

Active Member
Dry fly > swung streamer > stripped streamer > nymph with fly line and no bobber > fly line with bobber. That's the hierarchy of fly-fishing. Bobbers barely make it and it's acceptable to debate whether using a bobber is truly fly fishing.

Nymph with mono isn't fly fly fishing. It's a couple steps below a Rapala, vibrax, or little cleo. It's about equal with drifting a worm, minnow, salted Minnow, skein or egg sack. It's classier than having worm or corn on a hook while your rod is resting against a fork shaped stick, although it's much less fun. Undoubtedly, all of the methods in this paragraph are considered fishing.

Centerpinning is the LCD and should be looked at with disgust and disdain. It is loosely considered fishing - just as soccer, roller hockey, and men's cheerleading are loosely considered sports.
 

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