Like you, I release fish as quickly as possible and rarely if ever touch anything but the hook. Statistically speaking about 4% of fish die and I suspect that comes from over play or mishandling of fish. The wolves that were poisoned, snared, or trapped represented a much larger percent mortality rate than 4%.Poisoning, snaring, and trapping are abhorrent, but a well placed high velocity round perfectly fine. So you ok dragging fish around by their jaws, in pain, subjecting the to oxygen deprivation, and high lactic acid, only to release them, but placing a round through a wolf's vitals killing it instantly is horrible death?
Yeah, I have struggled with his words for a long time. In a week, I'll be fishing for springers, one and done for the day. Sometimes I feel better about that than I do trying to sore mouth every fish on the river with flies.Jacques Cousteau called people who practiced catch and release, sadistic. Those words do stick with me as do yours as I am sometimes painfully reminded.
Yeah, but, see, I enjoy tormenting the trout.Poisoning, snaring, and trapping are abhorrent, but a well placed high velocity round perfectly fine. So you ok dragging fish around by their jaws, in pain, subjecting the to oxygen deprivation, and high lactic acid, only to release them, but placing a round through a wolf's vitals killing it instantly is horrible death?
What does one have to do with the other? Good reason to cull the wolves right? BTW a predator never kills anything "nicely"... hard to do without thumbs. I have seen what a Chevy or Ford can do to an Elk...you really have to come up with something better than that...I'd love to see the expression on your face as wolves drag down and brutally kill a horse. I've seen what it looks like with elk, and I wouldn't want to watch a horse face the same date.
No, that's the gory, unforeseen result of mankind tinkering with nature. What's next - cloning & reintroducing Short-Faced Bears, Dire Wolves, Saber-Toothed Tigers & Mastodons? After all, those were here once too . . .It ain't pretty, certainly not the way I would want to go. Just the noise of it is enough to turn you stomach, but that's nature in all its glory .
One of the coolest things I ever saw was 3-wolves take down 2-elk at Gibbon Meadows in YNP shortly after their reintroduction. I love that wolves are part of the "wilderness" again, but I also love harvestable amounts of elk and deer. The way we have altered the landscape, especially the in terms of the substantial loss of winter range, makes it necessary to manage both predator and prey.
Aside from the hyperventilating eco news, if you look at the legislation, Idaho is looking at reducing the number of wolves to the number that was agreed upon back in the 90s. I can guarantee that Idaho is not looking to drop the number of wolves below the ESA level where the Feds get involved.
I hear a lot of people say that the Yellowstone elk population is healthier subsequent to the wolf reintroduction, and that may be, but there are far fewer elk, and the abundant elk population wasn't starving prior to wolves.
We don't have the same ecosystem we did 100. Or even 50 years ago. We need to manage for what we have now not what we had back then.
After considerable thought about this comment I have come to the conclusion that it's just another excuse to feast your eyes on my rugged good looks.I'd love to see the expression on your face as wolves drag down and brutally kill a horse.
Here's a one-pager that explains why this mindset is a bad idea and will only result in a downward spiral to a world where nothing is left.
Sounds like you've given up on any sort of actual management then? Just FKNA let 'er rip until the last salmon/orca/wolf/tree/elk/wild place/wild animal is destroyed? No reason to try things like restoring the Elwha or setting aside wildlife refuges or protected areas. Just scrap the ESA. Race to the bottom! But hey, you'll live in what was elk habitat.Like I said.. it's happening whether we like it or not.. it's happening regardless what experts say about it.
All of the current solutions are intolerable to society. Rich people want to like in elk habitat and they are going to spend the money to get there regardless what anyone thinks says or does.. Hell ,I want to live in elk habitat.
We need fish and wildlife managers willing to think outside the box because regulating human behavior almost never works and always breeds resentment.
That was created by someone without a clue. Zero data. Zero facts. It doesn't even mention how many cull tags it's protesting. Or where the elk crop damage is occurring. It is poorly written and clearly done by an emotional anti-hunter. That gibberish should not be circulated.Debating seems to be coming to an end, soooo - here is a choice:
Idaho's elk population has grown tremendously since the state legalized wolf hunting and subsequently eliminated their natural (59888 signatures on petition)www.thepetitionsite.com
Or, you can contact the Idaho Gov. and say "right on, brother".
I am going to disagree with dustin because I personally learn from most debates. All views respected here.