Keel Fly Hooks

#1
Someone gave me a bunch of Keel fly hooks (Mustad 79666, and Herters 70293XHBR's) in various sizes. What patterns are these typically used for?
The Herters box says that they're Gaelic Supreme Hidden Bend Rudder hooks. I found them in my Mustad Master catalog but, it gives no indication as to what patterns they're used for.
Thanks and have a Happy Thanksgiving tommorrow.
 

FT

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#2
They were used in years past to tie streamer flies upside down, which sort of makes them weedless because the wing covers the hook point. They used to be tied with bead chain eyes on the top of the hook to insure they would ride with the hook point up as they were fished (lead or brass eyes would work even better). I haven't seen them used in years; but they worked well enough to keep weeds off large bass streamers (bucktails really). These hooks were also used to lash frogs to the hook with rubber bands or twine for bass fishing as well.

The Herter's you have were made by Sealy Hook, Ltd. of England, unfortunately a company that ceased operations in the early '80's. In fact, all of the Herter Gaelic Supreme hooks were made for them by Sealy. Sealy is considred by many to have manufactured some of the best hooks ever made.
 
#3
Thanks FT I thought that you might know the answer. Now do you know where I might find some patterns? The Gentleman who owned these hooks was an avid flytyer.
 

FT

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#4
See if you can find a copy of George Leonard Herter's PROFESSIONAL FLY TYING, SPINNER, AND TACKLE MAKING book, it has been out of print for 25 years; but there were tons of them printed during its 40 years run.

Also, Dave Whitlock has some in his bass and panfish book and I think C. Boyd Pfiever has some in his book on bass.

At any rate, all you really need to do is tie any bucktail pattern on them with the hook point riding up in the vise with bead chain or small led eyes tied on with the hook point down. There is also a style of bucktail Dr. Edmond Burke created for bass that has two colors of bucktail alternating down the fly from near the hook bend to the eye. This style leaves a short stubb of the hair butt from each tie in spot below the hook shank. Red/Yellow, white/red, chartreuse/black, chartreuse/yellow, yellow/red, white/black/ yellow/black, red/black were very common color combos for this style fly.

Also, Lani Waller uses keel hooks to tie woolley buggers and egg sucking leeches for steelhead to keep the hook point riding up.
 
#5
Thanks FT , I found a pattern to use them on. It says it for small mouth Bass but, I'll tell you what... This looks like a great Cuttie pattern to me and even a chum should want to slam this baby. I'd post you a picture here but, I'm saving it for some swappers as a surprise. They are pretty cool hooks to use once you get the hang of them though! I'm sending you the pattern I used in a PM. Thanks again for sharing the knowledge; It's what makes this site the best...
 
#6
Randy:
I am hoping that the surprise is for the streamer part of the marathon swap:thumb: :thumb: Looking forward to that.
Blessings
jesse clark
 
#8
The pattern that I found is called the "FReaners Flasher" and was the Feb '02 fly of the month on the Warmwaterflyfisher website. you can see it in the fly swap gallery with a link to the story.
Randy
 

PETI

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#9
Just finished reading "Modern Streamers for Trophy Trout" and one of the must have fly's is the Stacked Blonde. It calls for a keel hook, hard to find. From what I've found the hook was discontinued.
The pattern is described in the book, vaguely, and a search turns up more porn than fly. The book was informative but you would figure they would have been a little more explicit in the instructions.
If I can get some reasonable instructions I'll post them back here if you're interested.

Peter
 
#11
Many, many years ago I met an old fly fisher that used small jig hooks for tying his small streamers, nymphs, wooley worms,etc. He swore up and down that the jig action made them more effective. I bought a bunch of eagle claw 570 jig hooks in size 8 and 10. I started tying some nymph patterns and various colors of wooley buggers on these jig hooks. I have found them to be very effective. I weight (wrap weighted wire around the hook) them and they also retreive upside down. This prevents lots of hang ups, plus they give a jigging action you can't get with regular tied hooks. Work great on lakes! I have never met another person who uses jig hooks that way. They look like a regular fly except they do fish somewhat differently.

Why not tie up some stone fly nymphs or larger nymph patterns on these hooks. Wooley buggers or leech patterns would work great.

K.
 

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