Angling Morals Rant

The bottom line is that all fisherman need to stick together to cover each other's ass and keep our sport alive, be it fly, gear, bait, whatever . saying flyfisherman are elitists just because they flyfish immediatelly casts a snobby shadow if you ask me... like you're trying to say we are above everyone else.


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Dan Soltau said:
We dont compare to any other type of fisherman, so saying we are better or worse than another type is an untrue statement. But baitfisherman suck, pussies.:cool:

I think we all compare when we hope to have fish to fish for in the future regardless of method. :beer2:
Porter said:

I think we all compare when we hope to have fish to fish for in the future regardless of method. :beer2:
What I meant by that is not in an elitist way, but the only thing we have in common with gear and baitfisherman and the place and the fish we target. Hell, after becoming a fly fisherman, I would say that there are much lower people in ffing than in bass fishing...
Not too long ago hunters in this state lost the right to hunt bears with bait and the right to hunt bears, cougars and bobcats with hounds. This is not about bear baiting or hound hunting. It's about sticking together as sportsmen against those who wish to end our sport. Now that groups like PETA have won a victory against houndsmen they are stronger, bigger, and better funded and they are pursuing the abolition of other forms of hunting. If you honestly believe that they won't come after the fishing sports then I ask you to reexamine the facts and reconsider your position. The "elitist" waterfowling community didn't give a rat's rectum about helping the houndsmen when they were fighting PETA. Now, in return, they can expect PETA and their ilk to be that much stronger and better funded when the come after bird hunters. If you don't see this comming, you are not paying attention. Try to see the paralell to the angling community. Eventually PETA and the SAO (society for the abolition of angling) will come after our sport. They'll probably start with bait fishermen or halibut fishermen (because they use guns to expedite fish) or maybe the scuba crowd will be the first on thier list. Be assured that they will pick a small group of consumptive sportsmen. A group that they expect to receive little or no support from the rest of us. They will divide and conquer, and some of you are playing right into their hands.
I've witnessed the filth left behind at rivers by others and been disgusted. I've cleaned up gravel pits where "sportsmen" have made a godawful mess with "target practice" and I've picked plastic bait bags out of my prop after running them over. I get as digusted by the behavior of the slobs as anyone. I just don't think that pointing fingers and further dividing the consumptive sports with elitist attitudes and the holier than thou approach is benefitting any of us, with the possible exception of those who's egos are so patheticaly undernourished that they can only feed their self esteem by stepping on others.
I sat back and watched most of us play the PC game and let Dan the man show his ass. Mulligan was the only guy who got it right. Then sounding like an 18 year old Dan goes ahead and kicks himself in the balls immediately after he starts this thread. Dan,I don't know how old you are, but I know you commonly catch fish that would be fish of a lifetime to others, I know you are a real flyfisherman not a guy who flyfishes, I know gearfisherman suck pussies, I know that you drive 11 whole hours in a day to fish Montanna, and I know that you place fisherman on different levels, kind of like a caste system. Due to technical requirements, some fisherman are better than others. At least that is some of the crap that has come off of your keyboard in the last couple of days. Then you have the balls to complain that you were attacked when people questioned or challenged you. Your youth and passion are admirable but the arrogant spoiled insecure punk that keeps beating the good in you to death needs a good old fashioned ass-kicking. Then after you clean yourself up, a bunch of us would probably like to take you fishing. Its okay, we were all once bulletproof, but give yourself a betting chance on this board, which by the way superman, has some of the finest anglers (both fly and gear pussies) on this planet. All puberty does is make showers interesting, it isn't a free pass to manhood junior. :eek: Coach


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I have no problem being labeled as an elitist. The term was attached to fly fishing 200 years ago. The reference was a true fly fisherman used flies exclusively. I am an elitist, I do not fish any other type of equipment and always use artificial flies. That is my preference and my choice. Now if you were to call me a snob, that would get my blood boiling. I do not look down on anyone nor do I feel above anyone just because I fish flies with a fly rod and reel. Isn’t it all about the pursuit anyway. Do you think a spoon chucker gets any less satisfaction when he hooks a fish? I think not. There is no right or wrong just perception and values. Let me try to explain. Perception – all bait dunkers are white trash, why, it’s because every where I go I see empty worm cups and beer cans, empty power bait jars and all kind of other trash related to bait fishing. It really bug me to see trash on the river. I value the outdoor experience and don’t want it ruined by someone who does not care about the environment. Now if that perception makes me appear to be an elitist than so be it.
BTW, If you would have read my posts word for word, you would realize I never ever said any type of fisherman is BETTER than other because of how they fish. You misunderstand me, that is why all this has been blown out of porportion. But that is all I have to say, as I could say the best statement ever that settled all of it, and some jackass would misread and think other, and here we go again... I have been thinking for years now how much bs is on the forum, it used to bother me, but the amount of bullshit here is relatvive to how much bullshit there is every where else. You must realize that I know that this is indeed an internet forum, and I have kept that in mind through out this ordeal, so I cant really take it entirely seiously anyway due to the relative irrelevancy of the issue overall.