you can keep 1 wild steelhead

#2
Why was Abraham Lincoln, who detested slavery, willing to allow slavery to continue in the Southern states where it existed? Because political compromise, even where it's most repugnant, is supposedly better than bloody revolt.
 

Citori

Piscatorial Engineer
#3
I am reminded of the parable of the frog and scorpion. The scorpion came to the frog and asked the frog if he would ferry him across the river by carrying him on his back. The frog replied, "You will sting me, and I will die, so no, I won't carry you." The scorpion replied, "I won't sting you because if I do and you die, I will drown." So, the frog let the scorpion get on his back, and started to swim across the river. Halfway across, the scorpion stung the frog. As the frog was dying, he asked the scorpion why he had killed them both. The scorpion replied, "Because it is my nature."

We can do ourselves harm, or we can rise above that, it is our choice.
 
#4
The one-steelhead kill was probably kept in the regulations to salve the tribes and some (not all) of the guides on the coast, just as it was the first time. It is a travisty. Many of you recall the uproar by the tribes, a contigent of guides and mayor (I have foregotten her name which is no longer listed in any Forks information) of Forks during the push to stop the kill on all wild steelhead? Also, do you remember how the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission folded when the one-steelhead kill was going to be retained? The WDFW should be absolutely ashamed for supporting this sort of skullduggery. They know better.
In my opinion it will require another frontal assault on the issue by sporstmen, just like it did when the limit was first reduced from 30 wild steelhead per year if it is ever going to be changed.
Regardless of what "reason" is floated by WDFW to justify such boneheaded logic it is quite simply just another poke in the eye to show us that the bureaucrats in Olympia can do what they damned well please.
Les Johnson
 

Bob Triggs

Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!
#5
Not only did they recind the moratorium on wild steelhead harvest and allow retention of one wild fish per day, but they then went on a campaign out here on the Olympic Peninsula and made sure that anyone fishing here knew that they could do it, should do it! When they had the meeting in Bremerton to reopen the harvest issue one of WDFW's examples of a sustainable MSY model system was the Hoh River. It was already in trouble, now look at it today. WDFW is an international embarrassment.
 

LD

Active Member
#6
When I attended the TU meeting about the Spokane River this subject came up (keeping fish). One of the WDFW biologists said that people will care about he fishery if they can actually catch and keep some fish. Also said it was important for kids to be able to catch/keep fish otherwise they don't get interested in the sport and then you loose a generation. I thought it was an interesting perspective.
 
#7
When I attended the TU meeting about the Spokane River this subject came up (keeping fish). One of the WDFW biologists said that people will care about he fishery if they can actually catch and keep some fish. Also said it was important for kids to be able to catch/keep fish otherwise they don't get interested in the sport and then you loose a generation. I thought it was an interesting perspective.
I know MANY people new to fishing and fly fishing or who are very interested in it and they have ZERO desire to kill a thing.

In fact I help teach several dozen every summer.
 

chadk

Be the guide...
#8
When I attended the TU meeting about the Spokane River this subject came up (keeping fish). One of the WDFW biologists said that people will care about he fishery if they can actually catch and keep some fish. Also said it was important for kids to be able to catch/keep fish otherwise they don't get interested in the sport and then you loose a generation. I thought it was an interesting perspective.
:beathead::beathead:

Was this discussion specificly about native steelhead? My kids enjoy a mix of fishing where we do both C&R and C&K. There are plenty of opportunities for both without justifying killing a wild steelhead.

Stocker trout, hatchery steelhead and salmon, panfish, etc etc. It is actually a great teaching lesson for them when you kill on one trip and not on the other. They always want to know why - and it opens the door to the discussion about why C&R is important for some fish and not so much for others.
 

LD

Active Member
#10
:beathead::beathead:

Was this discussion specificly about native steelhead? My kids enjoy a mix of fishing where we do both C&R and C&K. There are plenty of opportunities for both without justifying killing a wild steelhead.
No this was not avout wild steelhead. It was an informational meeting on the Spokane River and redband trout. But the subject about C&R came up. That was the explaination that was given. Might seem to be the same logic they used with steelhead, not sure since subject was not brought up. This was not my opnion and right or wrong was what was given. Just thought it might be an interesting perspective from someone who works for WDFW.
 
#11
Chadk has it right. You want to teach your kids all of the ways of sportfishing. WDFW people who are in the "outreach program" always promote a catch and kill policy in one shape or another. It is part of their maxium sustained yield mantra that they probably learned at the U of W college of fisheries. As was stated above, do not buy into it. My kids had a great time growing up keeping stringers of crappie that I'd fillet and deep fry for them and stocker trout that we'd smoke.
Hey Freestone! Nedra Reed is the one. She is no longer on any Forks website mastheads. I wonder if she was booted from office. I haven't heard.

Cheers,
Les Johnson
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#12
Talking about Forks is just another way to hijack this thread. Since when did Forks become the other Mega capital of the world. BOy are there prices out of this world. Bacon and eggs for Breakfast cost me $11. 95 with lousy service. There one big new store in town has a clothing line that is just Carrhart. Man is that shit expensive. Gas was $3.59.9 and that was at the cheap station. All others are into the $3.65 range. And the people are unfriendly.

Forks. What can one say.
 
#13
Old Man,
In all due respect I don't feel that this thread was hijacked by including Forks in the topic of the one wild steelhead kill allowance. Forks Mayor Nedra Reed (at the time), the tribes and some of the guides combined forces to be the lynchpin along with WDFW harvest managers to keep that one wild steelhead on the annual kill list. Personally, I wouldn't complain about paying $12 for breakfast or $3.65 for gasoline if I could see any evidence of conservation coming from the area. As for Carrhart clothing, there isn't much call for Brooks Brothers suits or Ralph Lauren khackis along the OP coast. My wife and I have, in fact made annual Thanksgiving trips to Forks for some early steelhead fishing. On these junkets we always buy Christmas gifts from the local shops. These are nice people who have to make a living and getting footstuffs, or gasoline to Forks is more expensive than supplying gas stations along the I-5 corridor.
I'm concerned about the attitude toward catching wild steelhead until they are practically extinct, particularly the blantantly reckless overfishing on the Hoh River which will be closed early on April 3 by WDFW in a weak and belated effort to "protect wild steelhead."
Cheers,
Les
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#14
Old Man,
Forks Mayor Nedra Reed (at the time), the tribes and some of the guides combined forces to be the lynchpin along with WDFW people that kept that one wild steelhead on the annual kill list. Personally, I wouldn't complain about paying $12 for breakfast or big gasoline prices if I could see any evidence of conservation coming from the area. As for Carhart clothing, there isn't much call for Brooks Brothers suits or Ralph Lauren khackis along the OP coast.
Cheers,
Les
Les, here in Montana you can get a very good breakfast for $6.99. The same as the one I had in Forks. I'm just suprised at the price of that clothing. T-shirts, plain, $25.95. Hell I can get a FTL t-shirt for under $8.00 in Montana at Wally World or the big K. Plus when I came home the price of Regular here in the greater Butte area was only $3.19.9.

I don't know how they make ends meet while living there.

Jim
 
#15
Old Man,
A lot of people out in Forks country don't make much of a living. Commercial fishing and logging -- or guiding -- are not nearly the thriving operations that they once were. It is an economy driven almost entirely by the extraction of natural resources. With those resources diminishing, making a living is a lot tougher than in the Puget Sound region for instance. As I said, the I-5 and I-90 delivery systems have a relatively easy time getting product to suppliers. Along the remote Olympic Peninsula coast, freight costs are high. It is the nature of the beast.
I don't have all of the answers by any means. I am just stating the facts. I hope prices stay under control in Montana. We spend a bit of time there every year.
Cheers,
Les
 

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