Holy Carp! A fishing report...

Brad Niemeyer

Old School Member
Dear BobLawless:

It seems carp bring out a person's true colors...My intuition told me you were a closed minded cynic but now I have proof in writing...

As I said in my original post "Carp are not for everyone..."

They are not for folks who care about what others think of them...

They are not for quasi-religious self righteous trout purists

They are not for those who believe that the environment can be purified of invasive foreign species ( see brown trout , brook trout , bass)

They are not for folks who prefer to judge rather than experience things for themselves

Carp are here to stay...get used to it...

Shooting an unarmed carp is challenging? Now, if the carp was armed as well, that could be challenging. Pretty dang hard to practice catch (kill) and release, don't you think.


Be the guide...
What's challenging is sneaking up on huge wary carp. Granted during certain times of the year they let their guard down a little, but I bet after you nail one of them the school around them dissapears...

Then you have to hit a target that is submerged, moving, and a good distance away (not always).

Once you hit one, you have to hope your arrow holds in the flesh as you try to pull in a 25lb hog of a gold fish.

But the hardest part is figureing out what the heck to do with a dead carp. Too bad the state doesn't put a bounty on them like they do for squaw fish (nothern pike minnows). Then I'd be out there with my bow. Or maybe dynamite!!

OK - so that was mostly all tongue and cheek - but I think the point is that carp are hardly endangered and generally unwelcome in most sport fishing waters. A lot of lakes with carp populations would be a lot less muddy looking if the carp weren't in there rooting up the bottom like a bunch of hogs in a pig pen. Grass carp that are intentionally planted to help control weeds are OK if they are doing their job well... My 2cents

Old Man

Just an Old Man
Alleged speech defects.

I forgot what I was supposed to remember.

From now on when you say "old man" please do it with a smile. I don't like my handle used in vain :p :p :p :p :+



Another Flyfisherman
you can always tell a peice of water that has a bunch of crap or carp I mean becuase the water is always murky. Carp destroy good trout fisheries. Plain and simple. I've watched miles of a river that I grew up fishing turn into a murky sludge pit completely void of trout - EVEN Brown trout!

There is no better way to spend a day that blasting arrows through big, fat, pre-spawn carp, bonking them and littering the banks! This is a Huge past time where I come from, especially from those of us that like our trout fishing. Not to mention its just down right fun!

Keep carp spots secret as there are some out there that would just love to pull out the fiberglass arrows, 180# Kevlar Line and pull out the old trusty hammer! ;) :thumb
Here is a funny carp story. It was late October and my brother and I were duck hunting in the Potholes area. The ducks stopped flying and the day turned out to be a blue bird warm day. I am almost asleep and then BLAAAAAM....what the heck....I jump up and expect to see something in the air as my brother lets loose with his 12 gauge from his blind about 20 yards away. I shout over, where was the duck? My brother's response was, it was not a duck, it was a big carp and he has been rooting around the decoys over here. I finally got tired of him so I let loose. The carp survived because #6 shot will not penetrate water very far. I proceeded to bug my brother all day long about it being duck season and not carp season. He deserved it for waking me up like that. I got him back though. About an hour later a single mallard came flying into the decoys and this time it was my brother sleeping. I jumped up and BLAAM, one shot and I fold the mallard. The mallard is now on a trajectory right towards my brother. My brother wakes up and opens his eyes just in time to see the mallard heading right towards him. It missed him by about three feet. My response was, quit looking for carp and start looking for ducks!
My guess is you are confusing cause and effect with the results you see. My guess is the carp did not degrade the water quality to the point where trout no longer could survive. My guess is water quality declined, then carp moved in to fill the void-perhaps precipitously, most likely over time.

Seems there are two issues. First, is what can be done to preserve, protect, restore water quality so each fish species can survive in its existing habitat. (Notice I did not say "natural" habitat.) Second, consider valuing individual fish species as a resource. It seems that if all fisherfolk focus on the first issue, the second issue becomes easier for all.

If you want a prime example of the difference water quality makes in a fishery-look at the Yakima using Roza Dam as the dividing line. My suggestion is, instead of drawing the line between carpers and non-carpers-we, as fisherpeople,join together and devote joint efforts to cleaning up our water. Join a flyclub, join a conservation group, give back more to your sport than you take.

I'll step down off the soapbox now and go back to tying flies.

Brad Niemeyer

Old School Member
Salmon Candy:

Well said! As a fomer fisheries student (UW) I concur that water quality is the issue (not invasive species)

Carp are found in clear and cloudy waters...Sometimes they contribite to the turbidity of the water, sometimes they don't...

Having said that, I don't think I'll post any more carp reports on the site...It just stirs things up:rolleyes



Active Member
Pssttt... you might want to have him read the regs. I'm pretty sure he'll find the section that says that arrows, spears, etc are illegal (unless there is a special exception for the lake/river he is on but I'm not aware of any).
We all better just... get used to it!
CARP WILL BE THE ONLY FISH LEFT when its all said and done ;-) ... They are like SuPER(man) FISH FREAKS of nature. The big bad Cock-a-roaches of the h2o. We can dump petrol, fertilizer, piss, and anything else on them, and they will still grow big as bulls, know were you are before you do, and fight like Muhammad Ali if your lucky enough to catch one. ;-) Soon enough they will evolve to shoot arrows back at us.... :7

The superfish.
the golden ghost.

;-) :thumb :smokin :beer2


Brad Niemeyer

Old School Member
That made me laugh!

I will start tying up the cockroach patterns for the post apocalypse evening hatch...Meet you down by the fallout shelter septic trench @ 6pm...the radioactive carp are easy to spot when the sun goes down...no need for the polarized glasses.