Up one line? Two?

Philster

Active Member
#46
Philister,
So according to the spec's, the 37.5' shooting head is old school 8wt? What does the (16gms) stand for?
Not sure I get your first question. but gms is grams. Much easier to measure than grains (though less precise obviously) for most of us as digital kitchen scales usually measure grams. A gram is about 15.5 grains. AFTMA (American Fly Tackle Manufacturers Association I believe) line weights were established for uniformity and took the place of the old letter ratings. They probably used grains because a. it was pre-metric system in the US, and b. a fly fisherman was probably an all around sportsmen, and all sportsmen would have a grain scale for reloading the shells for their shotguns:rolleyes: You can see the weights here http://www.flyfishingforum.com/expertise/knowledge/lineratings.htm
 

Chris Bellows

Your Preferred WFF Poster
#47
Rio decided that it would make more sense to newbies, and I agree it does, to just sell shooting heads "for" six weights. But you still end up buying what used to be a 9 weight shooting head! Six weight WFs weigh 160. 9 weight WFs weigh 240 which is what your rio "6wt shooting head" weighs...

Good in the long run, but us old schoolers get mightily confused...
now you can be even more confused - RIO now has gone back to a 6wt shooting head being 175 grains

RIO Shooting Head Weights
 
#48
I'll be putting it on a 10' 6wt Echo Classic. Its got a nice medium fast action, with a good strong butt. I figure that overlining may turn out to be a good idea, lots of others do so with positive results, but it may not be necessary and who knows, maybe airflo knew what they were doing when they sized the lines and the 6wt is the right choice?:thumb:
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#49
jcnewbie, we all know I don't know squat, but if you have a shooting line it does not sound like you are shooting it. It sounds like your roll, backcast x3 or more and then launch out an extra 15' or so is the same effect of a standard WF line. I'm sure that you'll find that sweet spot that so many have eluded to, like Philster. I've watched a couple of guys wiht the shooters. Roll, back, LAUNCH a freaking butt ton of line out. They are obviously very much in tune with their setups and well versed in the process. They make it look so freaking easy. For now I'm sticking with my WF setups, but I'll dabble next in the shooting line area to see how stupid I can look.

Sounds like you will refine this process until it is perfected for you. That is very exceptional dedication, good luck.
 

Richard E

Active Member
#54
I'll be putting it on a 10' 6wt Echo Classic. Its got a nice medium fast action, with a good strong butt. I figure that overlining may turn out to be a good idea, lots of others do so with positive results, but it may not be necessary and who knows, maybe airflo knew what they were doing when they sized the lines and the 6wt is the right choice?:thumb:
10' six weight? Go ahead and buy that 6 weight 40+ or Outbound, and when it doesn't quite work right for you, let me know and I'll buy it used from you for half price.

Listen to me now and believe me later . . . :thumb:
 
#57
This thread is probably very informative, but after three times through I'm experiencing some serious head pain.
Mumbles, I've been through this thread (and a couple of others) at least 12 times and have developed a my-grain as a result-you know, blurry vision, shakey hands, weak knees, nausea, vertigo -- you know, all the symptoms of advanced age.....:D!

Picked up a ton of potentially useful information and so now comes the tough part: Remembering it, making sense of it and then....actually putting it into practice, practice, practice :confused:!

Funny thing happened last night tho....after hours 'n hours of reading all the posts here, I decided to go to a nearby park and see if could actually employ any of the advice presented:rolleyes: !!

It was phenomenal :eek:!! 62 feet first cast with one backcast, clear to the end of the line lying on the ground at my feet. 2nd cast, stripped off more line at my feet, kept the backcast high, haul the hell out of it on the forward cast, BINGO....88 feet! :eek:! Because I am now in a state of shock, I step it off again, yep, 88 feet! 3rd cast, strip off more line onto the ground & decide to "false cast" twice before launch - Zinnggg goes the line like a rocket - until the last 10 feet of line on the ground gets snagged up on some clover buds bringing everything to a sudden halt - still it's 91 feet to the yarn on the end.
Convinced by now of my ultimate invincibility and shirt buttons near to bursting with pride and sense of accomplishment, I gear up for another "Master Class Tournament Cast", not realizing my left foot is on 30 feet or so of line at my feet. Next cast, leader & line loops tangle in the clover as I start the backcast; next cast, bobble the backcast badly = disaster; next cast only goes about 30 feet as the tangles coming off the ground slam into the stripping guide in a big wad.

Okay...., well so much for Mr. Invincibility and Master Class casting! Take a couple of deep breaths, have a smoke & contemplate my navel….finally settle down and start casting again with remarkable results! Am so confident by now I switch to my left hand (off hand) and try that for awhile with dreary results – guess I’ll stick with the right hand for now!

At least now I know I CAN do it on the grass, Wednesday we’ll see if I can remember anything and do it on the water….:rolleyes:

jcnewbie (...it is sooo cool when it all comes together!:D)
 

Stonefish

Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater
#58
Good job on the distance. Just keep in mind the beach will have just a little more slope then your local park, which my affect tour distance. At least you don't have to worry about that damn clover on the beach. :D
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#60
Thanks, Stonefish. I'm such a cheap bastige that I was going to take a wild shot at cutting it down to the right length on the first cut, so I can use the remainder for a mini-head. But your suggestion sounds like the right way to go to get it cut "just right." I've been holding off doing this, as I have been contemplating getting a 9wt or 10 wt setup for Kings 'n Lings 'n Sturgeon 'n Things. (Don't ask about the "Things." I've never seen one, anyway, just heard the rumors :eek:) But my budget is floundering on a dry creek bed at the moment, and I'll have to make do with my 8 wt.

Jim,
Start out with 30' and cut it back one foot at a time until you find the sweet spot for your rod. Each rod of course is different. Just my opinion, but I'd bet with T-14 the shortest you'd likely want to go with an 8 wt would be 28'.
Good luck,
Brian