lab breeder

Since you're looking for an English Lab, maybe you can clear up some confusion. I've heard the term "English" before, but I've heard conflicting definitions. One definition states that English dogs are field bred, whereas American Labs are show bred. The other definition states that English dogs are for show (shorter, blockier/stockier) whereas American dogs are field bred (taller and lankier). I always assumed that the way to differentiate between the two is that an English dog has an accent. You might check out this site on your quest for a pup (they have a breeder listing):
I'll give you the quick and dirty...

English field bred dogs look very similar to our field dogs although usually they do have a little more "type" than our field dogs. English bred conformation dogs look like our conformation dogs, although generally less porky with more field ability than our dogs. It is not accurate to call any lab with heavy bone/otter tail/short legs "english."

The imports that we generally see are of the field variety. They can be great hunters and pets. Generally they have less fire than american field bred dogs, but that's huge generalization.

The real story with english labs is that there's not much of a difference between them and American labs. The marketing around imported UK labs is incredible. Advertised as the "gentleman's gundog" with classic looks and a mellower temperament, you'd think they were really special dogs. In truth, they're just as likely to be wild as teenagers and any "american" lab and their abilities are not likely to be any more exceptional in the field than any other lab.
thanks for all your help everyone. I ended up having a long talk with Tiger Mountain Labs. The owner of that outfit was great....very professional and really gave me a good feeling. I am going to put a deposit down for a yellow pup. I currently have a male, does anyone have any reason why I should wait to get a female pup (longer wait list)? I guess smaller size would be a plus.

Itchy Dog

Some call me Kirk Werner
thanks for all your help everyone. I ended up having a long talk with Tiger Mountain Labs. The owner of that outfit was great....very professional and really gave me a good feeling. I am going to put a deposit down for a yellow pup. I currently have a male, does anyone have any reason why I should wait to get a female pup (longer wait list)? I guess smaller size would be a plus.
I'll just share my story with you for what it's worth. We had a female. Loved her. She was sweet as can be, gentle, calm inside, and a great retriever. She was 60 lbs soaking wet in her prime. When I spoke to the breeder I wanted a female pup. We would have been 4th on the list to choose a female, but 2nd for a male. She asked me why we wanted a female, and I gave her all the reasons listed above. Then she said, "You're looking for a specific temperament- which sex does not guarantee." Then she pointed out that we could choose a male pup 2nd, giving us a much better selection than if we chose 4th for a female. Valid point. When we visited the pups at 6wks, we fell for this one particular male. We looked over the females, too, just for comparison, but this one little guy had us. At 7 weeks when we went back to select and pick our pup, we got the guy we wanted. He's everything we'd hoped he would be. Just a little bigger than I would have wanted. At 27 inches and 91 lbs, he's a load. Much bigger than his parents, which we couldn't have known would happen, he just got big. More to love. The breeder also told me something I hadn't thought of before. Males are like (most) men- you pretty much know what you've got, day in and day out. Females are like (most) women. They can be moody. Remember, this was coming from a woman. So I'd just recommend you choose based on temperament, and if it comes in a male, or a female, no worries. Get the highest order on a chosing list you can.
I picked up our female chocolate 4 weeks ago today in Oregon. The breeder was in business for 15yr. She was getting divorced and had two litters (15 pups) all chocolates. We wanted a female that we hoped would grow to 75lbs. Her grandfather and Grandmother were "pointers". Her mother was 60-65lbs and dad was about 95lbs and "blocky". Bella is a great pup, she has some serious spunk. One of our neighbors has an older GSH behind an invisible fence. She will growl and bark at the GSH, like I've never seen a pup do. I haven't hunted in years but wouldn't minds getting back into the game and this girl has the never give up I want.

When we were picking her our we wanted a family dog. You can't go wrong with a lab.
You wont be sorry you went with Tiger Mountain, John is a great guy. My brother and I each have a dog from there and couldn't be happier.
I also had an older lab and wanted to bring another dog into the family before it was time for Sabe to retire from hunting and I think the young dog (Storm) benifitted greatly by having an older mentor.
You mentioned that you were new to the area. You might want to check out the Puget Sound Labrador retriever association if you haven't already. I just noticed on thier web site that they are hosting thier fall hunt test this weekend at Bob Peppers farm. My wife and I joined this club when we got Sabe back in the mid 90's and learned a great deal by training with the other folks in the club and running Sabe in many of the hunt test that are held around the PNW.
Enjoy the new pup.


AKA: Gregory Mine
I have not seen every English Lab out there, however the ones that I have seen were on the smaller side in comparison to their American cousins. Yet again, there are too many factors that go into that equation. To me, they do have more of a calmer disposition at any age. However I have alway felt that most dogs will take on the mind set of the owners. This will be our family/fishing/boat dog. Hunting will not be in the picture. Hell, the last time I hunted was when the sugar beets left Eastern Washington. Now that will date me pretty quick. The last family of English's I was around, and there were 7 of them, were all mellow beyond belief.

Still on the hunt, so to speak, for a good breeder. The one I was hoping to use won't have any available for a couple years now... :beathead:
Yakima, don't limit your search to local breeders if you want something specific. My bro recently bought a puppy from Colorado. He flew the puppy from Denver to Seattle. The pup was fine after the trip and he's got a better puppy than what was available locally at that time.

Here's a good English lab breeder

One thing I'll say about mellow dogs. There is usually a trade off. You usually don't both a mellow personality and a lot of working drive in the same dog. I'd rather work with a dog with a lot of "go" than a mellow or easy going dog. I haven't met any English lab from FTCH parents that I'd call "mellow." Easy to work with, charming and eager to please- absolutely.

Chris Scoones

Staff member
Looking forward to field training Axle. At four months he's already a solid fishing buddy, having no hesitation with the frequent river crossings and he stays in close. Until he starts formal training I do have to keep an ever watchful eye on him in case his attention gets turned, by another animal or whatever.

I got my male 3 years ago from Black Forest kennels out of Texas/Colorado, he got his first AKC title this year and his NAHRA title last year, Just picked up the female pup from Wind River Labs 2 weeks ago. Both are great dogs with excellent temperments. I would first and foremost make sure you check that the dog has its hips/eyes/CNM clearances as well as a guarantee.

Arlington Kennels between Sunnyside and Grandview. My stud dog is out of "FC Rebel with a Cause". My dog's name is Cornerstone's Burnin' Blaze, (Teal) came out of Texas $1250 by time I paid shipping costs. Lots of Teals pups point naturally as he does but I did nothing to help since I use him basically as a retriever. They will start pointing on their own especially if you hunt a lot of quail since the hold tight. I hunt English setters and keep Teal close, both from foot and horseback, mostly chukars.

I have one yellow lab pup now, a pick of the litter stud fee puppy, about four months old. I have several English setter pups.

You can see my dogs and some pictures at:

Jerry Arlington
Hi Jerry, I checked your males information on the OFA website and I couldn't find that he's had any health clearances done. Do you do health clearances on your breeding stock? If not, why not?

It's way too risky of a gamble to forgo hip, eye, elbow, EIC, CNM test in my opinion.
#30 labs are nine years old. He and she can follow me around from horseback in chukar country day in and day out, stand flat footed and jump into a jacked up four wheel drive pickup. I don't need someone reading an x-ray to tell me he has sound hips.

You can take two dogs that have excellent hip x-rays and have bad hips on the pups that they produce.

I give written guarantees on all the dogs I sell, labs or English setters. I have replaced one dog in over thirty years of breeding.

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