Fishing related Political Question: Sarah Palin and Pebble mine?

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ak_powder_monkey

Proud to Be Alaskan
#62
Please do not turn this into a discussion about presidential politics. I have a specific question about Palin's stance on the Pebble mine project threatening the bristol bay watershed, being that she hails from Alaska. Let's try to stay on that topic.

1) Where does Ms Palin stand on this project? (facts only please)
2) Would she be able to do anything for or against it? as US vp? as AK govenor? (some conjecture would be appropriate here)
3) As fly fishers, would you vote for a presidential ticket based on this issue alone, if the two options were likely to yield different results?

Again, Please keep any replies focused on the Pebble mine issue. We all know all about the other differences.
1) Her official position is "Let the permitting process work" in other words she thinks our completely inadequate environmental protection process somehow works. Of course the environmental standards were weakened by the former governor specifically to allow the pebble project to take place. Also she came out against the clean water initiative that would have stopped pebble mine (inappropriately, govt. officials are not suppose to take positions on ballot measures). This really shows her character, her family has been setnetting on one of the would be affected rivers for 3 generations, of course she doesn't care because its not politically viable.

2) Yes, she could suggest and support legislation to increase mineral taxes on state land for comercial mines (royalties are about 1.5% right now for hard rock mines, compared to 24% of profits for oil). Also she could support the creation of Jay Hammond State Park which would limit mining to small scale recreational mining. Furthermore she could strengthen environmental regulations that were degraded under Murkowski. As far as if she was VP there is a lot of BLM land in the area which could be developed, again she could suggest legislation to update the mining laws of the 1800s but that's about it.

3) I didn't vote for her in part because of the pebble issue but mostly because she was and still is unqualified to be governor, among other things.
 

Mark Moore

Just a Member
#64
OK, she's not perfect, but here is the real issue, conservatives should hands down own the conservation issue. I am unwilling to be a single issue voter, EVER. I remember Jimmy Carter very well (another fly fishing pol) and history demonstrates that larger bureaucracies and bigger government lead to failing economies, period. We obviously have to hold these peoples feet to the fire but government will never be the answer. Development of natural resources, including oil exploration and mining are critical to every aspect of life. You need look no farther than the tools of our trade, the petro resins in the graphite of your G Loomis rod, the aluminum or titanium in your Hardy reel, and the nickel of your fancy reel seat if you are that lucky.

If these mining companies break the well crafted, enforceable environmental laws we already have then put the executives a.ses in jail.
 

Ringlee

Doesn't care how you fish Moderator
#65
If these mining companies break the well crafted, enforceable environmental laws we already have then put the executives a.ses in jail.
Jail time and fines mean Nothing!!! If an entire watershed is Destroyed FOREVER!!!!!!!
Look at all the Failed Mines that you and I are paying to clean up! This will be another example of that...

I will assume that you would like to drill in ANWR as the solution to our energy crisis!!!
 

Mark Moore

Just a Member
#66
I will assume that you would like to drill in ANWR as the solution to our energy crisis!!![/QUOTE]

Not THE solution, but A solution. Everything we use in our sport is dependent upon petro-chemicals and mined metals, and it is naive to ignore that. These resources can be developed responsibly and we have a responsibility to lead the way.

Or, we can continue to allow other nations, out of our view, to rape their landscape so we can have our toys on demand. Oh yeah, can anyone out there teach me how to weave a horse hair WF 8wt. line ?
 

fullerfly

Calvin Fuller
#69
If you don't have a place to fish why would you need to make a line out of horse hair? There are just some places where these things should not happen. Pebble is a perfect example.
 

Mark Moore

Just a Member
#70
If you don't have a place to fish why would you need to make a line out of horse hair? There are just some places where these things should not happen. Pebble is a perfect example.
Fair point and well taken. I don't live there and haven't been to that part of Alaska, however I just want to make the point that the "not in my back yard" mentality is childish hypocrisy. Maybe we could take the tens of millions of dollars that will be spent permitting and in law suits and use that money to incentivise clean mining technologies? Kinda like clean fuel technologies.
 

Flyborg

Active Member
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1) Her official position is "Let the permitting process work" in other words she thinks our completely inadequate environmental protection process somehow works. Of course the environmental standards were weakened by the former governor specifically to allow the pebble project to take place. Also she came out against the clean water initiative that would have stopped pebble mine (inappropriately, govt. officials are not suppose to take positions on ballot measures). This really shows her character, her family has been setnetting on one of the would be affected rivers for 3 generations, of course she doesn't care because its not politically viable.

2) Yes, she could suggest and support legislation to increase mineral taxes on state land for comercial mines (royalties are about 1.5% right now for hard rock mines, compared to 24% of profits for oil). Also she could support the creation of Jay Hammond State Park which would limit mining to small scale recreational mining. Furthermore she could strengthen environmental regulations that were degraded under Murkowski. As far as if she was VP there is a lot of BLM land in the area which could be developed, again she could suggest legislation to update the mining laws of the 1800s but that's about it.

3) I didn't vote for her in part because of the pebble issue but mostly because she was and still is unqualified to be governor, among other things.
Good to hear an Alaskan anglers perception on the issue.
 
#72
Sara Palin cannot even control her daughter, if McCain were to drop dead (which is likely just from the looks of the guy) then how in the world is Palin going to manage the government. If you cannot manage your personal affairs then you are not fit to lead a country.

Nick, you don't have kids do you? Kids, especially 17 year olds will do what they want to do. We as parents can only do our best to guide them and help them get back up if they fall.

Scott
 
#74
Nick, you don't have kids do you? Kids, especially 17 year olds will do what they want to do. We as parents can only do our best to guide them and help them get back up if they fall.

Scott
No, but my wife is 9 months pregnant. I will support my children no matter what as that is what unconditional love entails. Though a person running for the Vice Presidents ability to guide her children is a reflexion on her ability to lead the country, especially give her stance on certain issues.
 

Charles Sullivan

ignoring Rob Allen and Generic
#75
One thing that I like about these threads is that I can learn who never to fish with. My time on the water is too precious to be shared with just anyone.

Lowell hit a dinger 1-0,
cds
 
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