Methow River to close Sept. 18 to all fishing

Cactus

Dana Miller
#32
Legal? Ethical? What do you think?
This guide is not ethical. The intentional targeting of a closed species is illegal. Maybe he was trying to make more money by advertising this, but he (and others like him) have actually cost themselves money. All of the people who had booked trips or would book trips are now gone. This also costs local merchants money from lost sales to visiting fishermen.

When I was there early this week, we spoke with a WDFW agent doing creel checks and he told us about the steelhead situation. He advised us that if we were to accidently hook one to just break it off before fighting it as he didn't count it unless brought to hand. He mentioned the possibility of a closure if more were caught; he was telling everyone this. Guess some just don't listen!

I feel sorry for all who have now had there plans disrupted by greedy jerks like this guide. I'm glad I made it up there before the closure as I love this river. And, no I didn't hook any steelhead.
 

D3Smartie

Active Member
#34
Should we hold them to a different standard? And what standard would that be?
Should we hold them to a higher standard? yes. they are out fishing more than most and introducing many people to the sport. people should be introduced to the sport with the intentions of respecting the resource.
Should we expect a high standard from guides? NO. they have way more pressure to put people into fish and that is why you see bad behavior from guides a lot of the time. in my experience probably twice as often as bad behavior from fellow fly anglers. Whether its being cut off on a cutthroat drift by a guide like happened to me this morning or having your water run and plugged by guides over the years on the G.R. it seems to me that they are willing to push the limits of just about everything to ensure that they have a happy client.
 
#35
I agree with all of your comments on guides.

I agree that Dickson was unethical.

I simply don't agree with putting any real blaim on Dickson for this closure.

Don't give him that much credit!

There are plenty of fishermen who push the rules out there besides Dickson who have nothing to do with him.

Why don't you blaim the Methow steelhead for being so trouty?

IMO, it is just stupid to point fingers like this and is so typical of the fishing community and doesn't do anything good for anybody it just serves as catharsis for the pain you feel from steelhead being on the ropes and believe me I feel your pain.
 

Cactus

Dana Miller
#36
I agree with all of your comments on guides.

I agree that Dickson was unethical.

I simply don't agree with putting any real blaim on Dickson for this closure.

Don't give him that much credit!
Well if we don't point out unethical guides such as Dickson, who will? If enough people call out Dickson and guides like him, maybe we can convince a few people to not book with him... get enough and maybe he will need to find a new line of work! Not only will this be good for the fish, but it will be good for the hard working guides who obey the law and act ethically.

Dickson may not have been the sole reason for the closure, anymore than a poacher wipes out a run, but he is a heavily contributing factor.
 
#37
METHOW RIVER (Okanogan Co.)
from mouth (Hwy. 97 Bridge) to County
Rd. 1535 (lower Burma Rd.) Bridge
(621)
Downstream of Hwy. 97 Bridge, Columbia River rules apply.
CLOSED WATERS
from County Rd. 1535 (lower Burma
Rd.) Bridge to Gold Creek (621)
All Game Fish June 1-Sept. 30 Catch-and-release. Selective gear rules.
from Gold Creek to Foghorn Dam (1
mile upstream of Winthrop) (621)
All Game Fish June 1-Sept. 30 Catch-and-release. Selective gear rules.
WHITEFISH Dec. 1-Mar. 31 No min. size. Daily limit 15 WHITEFISH only. Whitefish gear rules.
from Foghorn Dam (1 mile upstream
of Winthrop) to Weeman Bridge (8
miles upstream of Winthrop) (621)
All Game Fish June 1-Aug. 15 Catch-and-release. Selective gear rules.
WHITEFISH Dec. 1-Mar. 31 No min. size. Daily limit 15 WHITEFISH only. Whitefish gear rules.
from Weeman Bridge to the falls
above Brush Creek (621)
WHITEFISH Dec. 1-Mar. 31 No min. size. Daily limit 15 WHITEFISH only. Whitefish gear rules.



After reviewing the rules I guess I dont see where it says you cant fish for Steelhead. I'm not an expert at reading our regs. Maybe someone can explain. My prior post were with the understanding that it was closed for steelhead.
 
#40
After reviewing the rules I guess I dont see where it says you cant fish for Steelhead. I'm not an expert at reading our regs. Maybe someone can explain. My prior post were with the understanding that it was closed for steelhead.
You can fish for steelhead. Under the regs, they are considered trout and when the Methow River trout fishery is open, steelhead are fair game.

But wild middle and upper Columbia River steelhead are listed as endangered, so they have special protections. WDFW have to get a special permit to open the Methow for trout fishing. That permit specifies how many wild steelhead can be caught before the fishery is to be closed:

"No more than 20 adult UCR steelhead be caught and released in the Methow
River trout fishery, of which 2 fish may die;"

"No more than 12,500 hatchery-and natural-origin juvenile UCR steelhead (0.
mykiss) in unknown proportion, may be caught and released in Methow River
trout fishery, of which no more than 1,250 may die;"

So, if you decide to specifically target wild steelhead, then the net effect is that you may end up forcing an early closure of the fishery, shutting everyone else out.

You can read the special permit here:

http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Salmon-Harvest-Hatcheries/Salmon-Fishery-Management/upload/1554_Permit.pdf
 

WT

Active Member
#41
:rolleyes:

You guys nailed it!

Dickson is the reason steelhead are endangered in the Methow and everywhere else.

He is the reason you never catch anything.

He is the reason gas prices are rising.

He is the reason some of you have migrains.

Sounds like you should form a posse and go get him.

I hear that steelhead fishermen don't sink in water.

Actually when I was over on the Methow a week and a half ago it was so crowded it was damn near insane so unless Dickson guides 50 fishermen a day I am not sure he can be blaimed so maybe you should call off the witch hunt.

Pretty much the only people in the whole area were fishermen and all anybody was catching were "suckers" so there you go.

BTW, I saw several guides, not just Dickson. There are more than 1 you know.
Good thing there is always at least one person on this board ready to apologize for Dickson. Otherwise he might get a bad name.

Aren't these guys (all guides) supposed to be stewards of the river or something?

Have good fishing,
WT
 

ChrisC

Active Member
#42
I applaud WDFW's move with the hope that it will help maintain chances of having an opener in October. That said, have there be that many incidental or deliberate catches of steelhead this or last month? The few people I know that have fished there over the past couple of weeks have not touched any.
 
#43
You can fish for steelhead. Under the regs, they are considered trout and when the Methow River trout fishery is open, steelhead are fair game.

But wild middle and upper Columbia River steelhead are listed as endangered, so they have special protections. WDFW have to get a special permit to open the Methow for trout fishing. That permit specifies how many wild steelhead can be caught before the fishery is to be closed:

"No more than 20 adult UCR steelhead be caught and released in the Methow
River trout fishery, of which 2 fish may die;"

"No more than 12,500 hatchery-and natural-origin juvenile UCR steelhead (0.
mykiss) in unknown proportion, may be caught and released in Methow River
trout fishery, of which no more than 1,250 may die;"

So, if you decide to specifically target wild steelhead, then the net effect is that you may end up forcing an early closure of the fishery, shutting everyone else out.

You can read the special permit here:

http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Salmon-Harvest-Hatcheries/Salmon-Fishery-Management/upload/1554_Permit.pdf

The river is open, but you're not supposed to fish for them? With policies like these it's no wonder we're losing our steelhead.

So I gather from this that the guide was not doing anything illegal, but maybe doing something unethical, by a practice that would limit fishing opportunities (trout and steelhead) for others?

Maybe it's me, but I just don't get it.
 
#44
Good thing there is always at least one person on this board ready to apologize for Dickson. Otherwise he might get a bad name.

Aren't these guys (all guides) supposed to be stewards of the river or something?

Have good fishing,
WT
Whoah there buddy. I don't want you to get the idea I am defending Dickson or what he does. Read my others posts especially this one:

I agree with all of your comments on guides.

I agree that Dickson was unethical.

I simply don't agree with putting any real blaim on Dickson for this closure.

Don't give him that much credit!

There are plenty of fishermen who push the rules out there besides Dickson who have nothing to do with him.

Why don't you blaim the Methow steelhead for being so trouty?

IMO, it is just stupid to point fingers like this and is so typical of the fishing community and doesn't do anything good for anybody it just serves as catharsis for the pain you feel from steelhead being on the ropes and believe me I feel your pain.
 

Cactus

Dana Miller
#45
I applaud WDFW's move with the hope that it will help maintain chances of having an opener in October. That said, have there be that many incidental or deliberate catches of steelhead this or last month? The few people I know that have fished there over the past couple of weeks have not touched any.
I saw a woman catch one Monday evening at the "swimming hole". She was not targeting it nor she did not bring it to hand, it spit the hook about 10' from her.