Thoughts on killing the record steelhead, fallout and ruminations:

Jake Bannon

nymphs for steelhead....
#91
I agree that the fish should have been released, theres a 99.99% that I would have released it too, but until I land a 30lb steelhead I couldnt say as Ive never done it and probley never will. As for the guy killing it, I think it was wrong but Im not gonna sit here and bash him through my computer screen as what he did was completely legal and was a personal choice. Ive read and learned much from a lot of good rebutles from some who can explain their logic through facts and/or science but Ive also read some assclown type posts. I have no comment on the essay except for I cant believe I even wasted my time reading it.


Jake
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#93
I think I will switch over to Jerry Springer and see what he has on.
Why go there.. Just read all this garbage. It becomes garbage after a few posts on the subject. But 7 pages worth.

The fish is dead and there is nothing you all can say or do anymore. Let it rest.

Jim
 

Trent

Ugly member
#94
Because there are sick basterds out there who take this stuff way too seriously that show up on peoples doorsteps and start shooting. It's not worth it unless you are here pimping your products or services. You may say something that is relativly innocent by nature, and if one of the millions of people who access this "globally" facing website turns out to be a wackjob that takes what you said the wrong way... well you only have yourself to blame when he skins you and wears you like a coat. Call me paranoid or the like, but... :beer2: You are not sitting at a bar with a couple dozen people shooting the sheit. You are talking in front of any asshat on the planet with an internet connection. :thumb:
Dude, you just convinced me never unlock my doors, or to go outside again.:eek::eek:
 
#95
Just curious, what makes this guys 1 huge steelhead being killed any worse than the 5 or 6 natives I saw killed on the hoh within about 4 hours recently.

Honestly I feel the 12 - 20 lb'ers are just as significant as the one 30lb'er but this one fish seems to be worthy of a memorial whereas the guys slaying the smaller fish are not given any grief.

It actually seems the smaller fish would be healthier and more apt to produce healthy fish.

To me, at least the 30lb'er was a once in a lifetime catch (and from what I have read was the only native fish to be killed by this angler in 10+ years) and possible world record.

My curiosity is true and I am just trying to understand some of the logic here.
 

Flyborg

Active Member
#96
Just curious, what makes this guys 1 huge steelhead being killed any worse than the 5 or 6 natives I saw killed on the hoh within about 4 hours recently.

Honestly I feel the 12 - 20 lb'ers are just as significant as the one 30lb'er but this one fish seems to be worthy of a memorial whereas the guys slaying the smaller fish are not given any grief.

It actually seems the smaller fish would be healthier and more apt to produce healthy fish.

To me, at least the 30lb'er was a once in a lifetime catch (and from what I have read was the only native fish to be killed by this angler in 10+ years) and possible world record.

My curiosity is true and I am just trying to understand some of the logic here.
It's not any more significant.

Look at it this way. Every week, people go missing in the US. Occasionally, a hot white female goes missing, and suddenly it's a media sensation. Years go by, the media continues to drag the drama out, and eventually some legislator utilizes the media furor to pass some law that helps all those other missing people.

Without the sensationalism its just noise. We've latched onto this poor dude because he's made it easier for us to do so. If the details would have remained obscure like the four you saw today, this would have died weeks ago.

Right or wrong, it's a means to an end. Some people aren't willing to sacrifice their perceived principals to shout about a guy who's done nothing different than countless people do every day. Others are more willing to make amends for a perceived greater good. It's a simple question with a difficult answer; does the end justify the means?
 
#97
It's not any more significant.

Look at it this way. Every week, people go missing in the US. Occasionally, a hot white female goes missing, and suddenly it's a media sensation. Years go by, the media continues to drag the drama out, and eventually some legislator utilizes the media furor to pass some law that helps all those other missing people.

Without the sensationalism its just noise. We've latched onto this poor dude because he's made it easier for us to do so. If the details would have remained obscure like the four you saw today, this would have died weeks ago.

Right or wrong, it's a means to an end. Some people aren't willing to sacrifice their perceived principals to shout about a guy who's done nothing different than countless people do every day. Others are more willing to make amends for a perceived greater good. It's a simple question with a difficult answer; does the end justify the means?
Fair enough, I guess I just saw this as the more legitimate of the native kills I have seen recently yet the most criticized.

If this would do something to preserve the species and the OP fisheries then I am all for it.

thanks
 

Charlie Erdman

In search of steel
I have an extremely hard time believing that the fish was bleeding from the gills if it was hooked in the mouth. Also, has any serious steelfacer here ever fought a steelhead for over 45 minutes?

Bottom line: this fish should not have been killed, regardless of where it was caught. It is unfortunate that people do not realize the importance of carefully releasing wild fish. While the fish is dead, learning from this incident can continue, which is why people are so worked up. This is an important issue and the horrible bonking of this fish will hopefully be the turning point in wild steelhead management on these OP rivers.

It is the responsibility of every angler to know the regulations of the rivers he/she fishes. It is just as important in my opinion to know the significance and issues surrounding the fish one targets. This "conservationist" should have known the dire situation surrounding wild steelhead. The fact that he is labeled as a "conservationist" is a disgrace to all people who work/live in ways that support conservation.
 
I'll say my last words on the Hoh fish and our British "chap". He should have released it and his story is "fishy" at best. In fact he knew he had screwed up and that is why he immediately went to his bullshit story. He should have just told us to kiss his ass and to bitch to the state who makes the act legal. We have our moral views, but he broke no laws. But if we like it our not, it was and is a LEGAL catch and keep. That is due to the complete idiots we have in Fish and Game. Now I am sure the finger pointing will keep going but that is the reality of things. I can hit up the OP any time I want and hook, land, and kill not only wild fish, but damn native fish. And if I get a fish to the car without signing off the catch card, I can pretend it never happened and go get another one the next day. Which of course none of our steelhead killing brethren ever do!!!:rolleyes: This is another indictment of the state of Washington's fisheries and policies nothing more. Sad in many ways but another shit stain on their underwear. Coach
 
After reading some of the absolutly astounding rhetoric about that fish and the gentleman who caught it, from two posters in particular, I would have to say that the parents of a couple of you guys should have practiced better birth control.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
I think he knew what he was doing when he bonked that fish. I think he wanted to release it but realized what a frenzy his keeping it would cause. Thus as Flyborg mentioned giving the plight of Wild Steelhead everywhere more vigor and the much needed attention it deserves. This man should obviously be commended for his actions. What a completely selfless act in order to preserve the species, even in the face of knowing what it would net him. A modern day Judas. I bet that fish spoke to him.

Ira..
 

Ringlee

Doesn't care how you fish Moderator
Awhile back, the Wild Steelhead Coalition led the fight for statewide mandatory wild steelhead release. We won the fight. The mayor of Forks got the Director to reverse the decision for a one fish kill. And now here we are.

Leland.
We need to bring to fight again!

Forks has Twilight now. It is actually funny seeing how much Twilight shit is out there! They no longer can support the claim that Bonking Wild Steelhead is the Economic life blood of Forks. I was in Ace/Thriftway the other day and half the freaking store had a Simms jacket or Sage/Winston hat on. Rafts and rigs parked in the parking lot with fly rods all over the place.


As a final note. This fish Died and that really Sucks. How many other Steelhead are going to get bonked because of this fish being so publicized! I have never seen the Hoh so busy! Letting the public know what is actually going on can hopefully shed light on the issue at hand.

Look at this thread and take a look at what can happen! Some Success from the internet! http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php?t=53490&highlight=wild+steelhead+on+menu
 
After reading some of the absolutly astounding rhetoric about that fish and the gentleman who caught it, from two posters in particular, I would have to say that the parents of a couple of you guys should have practiced better birth control.

Why skirt the edges big man? Tell the two posters straight up that the world would have been better off if they had not been born and that their parents were complete idiots for having children. And then act shocked when they tell you to go fuck yourself as you take the "high ground" and "humph" loudly and roll your eyes with your legs crossed. Passive aggressive is chickenshit nothing more nothing less. And thanks for the positive contribution to the thread. That irony was not lost on me either. Coach
 

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