9lb G.L steel

shotgunner

Anywhere ~ Anytime
#31
Mumbles a valient effort.. but same results :) When entered correct they should be clickable and go into fullsize. If I could find these pics in the gallery a URL for the 'linked thumbnail' is there.. I cannot figure out how to find them though :mad:

Some magnificient fish.. I wanted to include option of viewing them full size.

All good things come to an end.. Our fish numbers & average weights have been declining on Lakes Michigan & Huron.. Suspected culprit, forage base dropping due to invasive zebra and quaga mussels feasting the plankton, disrupting the chain. Hopefully it will right itself.. Our Chinook are taking the worst hit so far.

Saw an interesting piece in out local news a few days ago. Guys charter fishing off CA coast for giant squid, which supposedly are on the rise [population] It was specualted that the reason could be a lack of predator fish..
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#33
What impresses me about the GLs is the success story that the pacific salmon and steelhead/lake run rainbows have had.
the GLs and the rivers that flowed into the GLs were wasted, not wasted beyond repair and now have been repaired and have great runs of fish in them.
Kinda makes me wonder what is wrong with the picture here in the PNW.
Maybe we (the PNWners) need to take a lesson in fish management.
Just something to think about.
I don't think that the GL's have indians netting them. If all the nets were pulled out of Washington waters we would have big fish runs also. Before judge Boldt there were good fish runs and after Boldt there was a major decline.

Jim
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
#35
What impresses me about the GLs is the success story that the pacific salmon and steelhead/lake run rainbows have had.
the GLs and the rivers that flowed into the GLs were wasted, not wasted beyond repair and now have been repaired and have great runs of fish in them.
Kinda makes me wonder what is wrong with the picture here in the PNW.
Maybe we (the PNWners) need to take a lesson in fish management.
Just something to think about.
At what expense? The GLs did not have steelhead or Pacific salmon until someone introduced them. I know enough to know when a species is brought into an enviroment that it did not previously inhabit something must give. The steelhead and salmon replaced something that was native to the GLs. Some native species must have payed a price for thier success.
 

Chris Bellows

Your Preferred WFF Poster
#36
I don't think that the GL's have indians netting them. If all the nets were pulled out of Washington waters we would have big fish runs also. Before judge Boldt there were good fish runs and after Boldt there was a major decline.
if coastal or puget sound rivers had half the survival of great lakes hatchery / wild "steelhead" we wouldn't even be worried about steelhead.... we'd all be out hammering huge run sizes even with netting.

the survival % is huge... if i remember correct one river was planted with 90,000 smolts and sees approx 20,000 return (there are some wilds mixed in).... but that's just recollection (non phd) but with the fishing i saw i can believe it.

and here's a pretty rainbow for all

 
#37
Looks like we got a Topwater/Coach Duff cage match on our hands.

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KerryS

Ignored Member
#38
if coastal or puget sound rivers had half the survival of great lakes hatchery / wild "steelhead" we wouldn't even be worried about steelhead.... we'd all be out hammering huge run sizes even with netting.

the survival % is huge... if i remember correct one river was planted with 90,000 smolts and sees approx 20,000 return (there are some wilds mixed in).... but that's just recollection (non phd) but with the fishing i saw i can believe it.

and here's a pretty rainbow for all

Apples and oranges.
 

Bob Triggs

Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!
#40
Yes that is a nice looking fish. I lived the Great Lakes fishing culture for many years. I burned out on the hatchery mentality and the negative impacts of all of the steelhead and salmon and brown trout being planted every year. Financially it has created a multi billion dollar Great Lakes fishing industry. Ecologically I think it is a bust. Between the idiotic money-based approach of the agencies involved, the combat style fishing in many places, and the incongruity of these fish being planted there to begin with, I never really enjoyed the fishing as much as some do. I always knew there were real sea run wild steelhead out west. I just did not understand how few or how diminished. I had a lot to learn after coming to the pacific northwest.

The Steelhead that I knew of in the Lake Ontario tributaries in particular were Altmar Hatchery fish. The original strains were I believe Skamania Steelhead from Washington. I have had many dozen or more fish days swinging flies for these fish. They are notoriously lock-jawed. And the regional fishermen came up with a gear fishing technique for the flyrod that employed using Amnesia red leader butt to a slinky weight, then terminal short leader, to drift glo-bugs, drifted right into the fish's mouth. That is gear fishing with a flyrod, and also a proven snagging/lining technique. Another reason why I left in disgust. The "steelhead" are now spawning in just about every single drainage, creek, stream, river, irrigation trench and toilet bowl anywhere near the lakes. The feral component to the runs easily eclipses some of the hatchery counted runs now. Ample evidence that these fish can survive if given half a chance. But then so can cockroaches.

The preceeding posts unearthed an old and very tired arguement over these fish and their life history in freshwater or saltwater development. Back when Trey Combs wrote his first Steelhead Trout book he erroneously noted the upper Kvichak River rainbows as being "sea run steelhead trout". This caused a big fuss up in Juneau at AKDF&G and they had to spend some serious dollars researching these fish, sampling etc. The conclusion was that the upper Kvichak River rainbows- easily some of the most electrifyingly hot Bows you will ever catch- are enjoying nearby Lake Iliamna as their "ocean" and they are not sea run fish. And so AKDF&G identifies those fish as "Rainbow Trout" and manages them on that basis.

I think of the Great lakes fish in much the same way. But this has not stopped people from hyping the Great Lakes fish as the real thing. Once anyone familiar with Pacific coastal salmonids sees the bland, greyish white flesh of one of the Great Lakes steelhead, ( or the GL pacific salmon), the blush comes off of the rose. This does not make them any less fun to play and land and release. Im sure they would be just as much fun to compost too.

My best Great Lakes fish was a 47 pound king salmon on a nine weight Sage RPLX. I released it, and all of the steelhead I caught there too, not because of a need for conservation- they number in similar overall populational mass to cockroaches- but out of disgust. What the hell good are they really? I have had some great fun playing the Great Lakes steelhead, rainbows...whatever they want to call them. I dont think of them as real steelhead myself. And I dont see much of the Great Lakes fly fishing approach as real flyfishing either. But what's in a name?

No matter what they call them you wont catch me working hundreds of volunteer hours for restorarion of their habitats and spawning numbers this year.
 

shotgunner

Anywhere ~ Anytime
#42
At what expense? The GLs did not have steelhead or Pacific salmon until someone introduced them. I know enough to know when a species is brought into an enviroment that it did not previously inhabit something must give. The steelhead and salmon replaced something that was native to the GLs. Some native species must have payed a price for thier success.
We suffered enviromental changes also. By the early 1900's this state [MI] was all but clear cut with heavy recreational fishing following 'up north' on the new established rail lines. Combination effectivally ended the reign of Grayling & Brook trout. Rainbows survived, utilising the Big Lake.

Early to mid 70's the indiginous Lake Trout population collapsed. Blame was placed on the invasion of the Sea Lamphrey & International shipping. There are recent theory's that the Aelwive explosion was the true culprit, somehow sterilising the Lakers spawning efforts. Coho were first Pacifics stocked in hopes of combatting the Aelwives. Success that boggled the mind.. 20+ pound Coho common. Chinook followed with like results.

Lake Erie died an ugly death by industrial pollution, actually catching fire and burning the shit off in places.. Dubbed the dead sea.. Years of reclamation efforts were a super success! Restocking begans to see positive results. Rainbows make debut. Absolute world class Walleye fishery.

Each lake is individual with totally differant fisheries that vary with location. Unique and different histories.

Your right that something 'gave' and likely it will again.

Jim, we have Native American treaty troubles of our own. The Feds preside here just like there. Better now than it was at one time though.
 

Chris Bellows

Your Preferred WFF Poster
#43
sometimes they are a bit more chrome too



camera flash makes it brighter, but what the hell

catching big bows swinging tube flies on sink tips.... that amnesia stuff is for the birds

i was stuck in upstate ny for a winter and made the best of it. caught some fish, met some great people, practiced the spey casting, tied tube flies, explored some beautiful country, and left with great memories.... and an extra 20 lbs from the pizza and wings

while it's artificial as hell, really no different than all the non-native stocked trout in colorado.... and i have a good time fishing here too. would i rather be swinging a fly on a peninsula river or casting a head into a rip at the whistle buoy.... hell yes.
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#44
It ain't WFF differences of opinion / view / interpretation until we get a good "douchebag" post.

All these fish are great looking and I'd be happy to catch some.