click pawl reelz

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#32
Yep...the line guard was why I had to have it!
Pretty much all stamped metal with all the shiny stuff stainless steel.
Notice the nylon gear! Yet it still clicks when line pays out. The pawl has two slots for converting the hand. The badge looks like it was hammered out in someone's garage.
I think these were pretty much a inexpensive blue collar reel back in the day...1960s?

 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#33
Here is a F. Steans & Coy from New Zealand with the maker's name on the inside of the winding plate. A 3-7/8" reel in the style of a Hardy Perfect...so much so that it is rumored Hardy litigated to stop their production.



 

yuhina

Tropical member
#35
Here is a F. Steans & Coy from New Zealand with the maker's name on the inside of the winding plate. A 3-7/8" reel in the style of a Hardy Perfect...so much so that it is rumored Hardy litigated to stop their production.
Nice looking reel! WW

Regard to the similarity issues, I remember it happened to Orvis CFO I too. Can't remember which company though...:hmmm:
 
#36
Awesome Reel WW. I love my "Click and Pawl Reel" as well. OH According to one of our technical guys-- Salmo G They are not called click and pawl reels. I just read this from another post. I never heard the term spring and pawl. Anyone else?

Click and pawl is nothing more than a retarded, or should I say semi-literate,expression for a spring and pawl reel. The pawl presses against the gear wheel on the spool, producing the "clicking" sound which has caused multitudes of internet fly fishermen to begin using the flat out wrong term of "click and pawl" reel because they apparently don't know WTF they're talking about. The spring provides tension against the pawl, which produces the resistance against the gear wheel preventing reel spool over-run. Almost sorry for being an A-hole about this, but geez, call something by its name already. It's not like it's hard or something.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.
http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=302752
 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#37
Tomayto, tomawto...
You never know what it is that will get some one going! :)

The term is not quite as inaccurate as he thinks. There are lots of methods to getting a reel to click. There are the Plueger type plunge pin designs that have a spring behind the plunge pin but no pawl – these still click. I’ve handled a lot of reels including one by Wilby that has the gear on the spool and a specially shaped spring to engage the gear instead of a pawl, yet it clicks right along.

Earlier designs incorporated what is called a “caliper check.” Spring and pawl of a different configuration used extensively at the turn of the previous century but still in use by Ocean City et al in the 50s. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised to see the configuration still in use today by a manufacturer somewhere. Replacement of parts due to wear is troublesome to say the least.

Two examples of the Ocean City caliper checks from the 50s:



And exactly where does that 'click' come from? Like Salmo _g, I had always assumed it was from the interaction of the pawl and gear.
But here is one with a nylon gear:



This reel has a very soft sound on the retrieve. The type of sound you would expect with a nylon gear - muted, mushy sounding. On the pay out there is a very distinctive, louder, metallic click which drowns out completely the pawl and nylon gear sound! The sound has to come from the top corner of the pawl hitting the spring. This revelation gives another meaning to "tuning the springs."

One of the last reels that Young made included the typical flat bent spring to a pawl and also a disc drag. You have the option of using either independently or together in tandem. Someday I'll get my hands on one of these!

Click and pawl, or spring and pawl...everyone knows we're not talking disc drag.

 
#38
One of the last reels that Young made included the typical flat bent spring to a pawl and also a disc drag. You have the option of using either independently or together in tandem. Someday I'll get my hands on one of these!
I have a Penn Freshwater 4 that employs a similar system .
 

inland

Active Member
#39
Kineya is using that style of caliper spring. Several reels today use a variation of a caliper- Hodge and Sons (SD Design) and Saracione being two that come to mind. Either to make a nice sound or actual over-run check.

I think the Brits have a good term for these types of 'drag' systems by calling it a 'check mechanism'. Covers most of the bases.

I am partial to the term "gear and pawl" however any of the common names work.

William
 
#41
Now we're talking my language!






Ronde Steelie on a Sage 7136 and a 4" Beaudex

Hey WW, I'm not expert, but after looking at ebay and other places at these reels, I think that picture is a 4" beaulite salmon (young or shakespear).

I just picked up a 1540 for under $100, and a 4" beaudex for $15. See how they are once I receive them. I may have the start of another addiction...
 
#42
I just picked up a 1540 for under $100, and a 4" beaudex for $15. See how they are once I receive them. I may have the start of another addiction...
I have a 1540 and love it . I prefer it over my Hardy Salmon # 2 . The JW is sturdier , heavier , and LOUDER .

I also prefer it over my Sage 3600D , which cost me about seven times what I payed for the 1540 .
 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#43
Hey WW, I'm not expert, but after looking at ebay and other places at these reels, I think that picture is a 4" beaulite salmon (young or shakespear).

I just picked up a 1540 for under $100, and a 4" beaudex for $15. See how they are once I receive them. I may have the start of another addiction...
Nope...I don't have a Beaulite. It's a 4" Beaudex which dates from before the Beaulite, in fact I believe the Beaudex evolved into the Beaulite when the market started demanding lighter reels for the graphite rods. Here is a closeup of it:



In fact I'm pretty partial to them...here's a few of the ones I have:


I also use a few of the Pridex models which are the same reel without the tension regulator...great dryline reels!
 

Richard E

Active Member
#44
couple weeks ago i got to use jason's 6wt spey paired up with a scientific anglers click pawl made by hardy. the scream of the reel and the lack of drag added another element to hooking, playing, and landing the sacred steelheadz and that i found pretty sweet. i know nothin about them. what to look for, etc. just lookin to match somethin up to my echo sr 8wt

shawn your reel was sick! i heard that thing loud and clear when that fish blew up on your dry. what was that thing??

lookin to stay relatively cheap for now. when i get deeper into speyfaggery things may change. fancy hardy's, hats, cigars and scraves may or may not come into play. but for now around $200 is legit. or less. but that never happens.

ps. i feel very ashamed.

:eek:
Beauchamp, for what what line size?

Click pawl/spring pawl reels are great fun, by the way; though I like my large arbor reels, I'm starting to go retro on some of my sticks . . .
 

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