Sad post re Kaufmann Streamborn

gt

Active Member
#61
the feds siezed the assests, no pay yur taxes is a bad thing, or so the very reliable source has shared with me this evening.
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#62
GT the way you amuse yourself amazes me. Your enjoyment of rubbing salt in the wounds is amazing. I can't believe that you have not worked in something about gill netting in all this Kaufmann bashing. Can't you find a single good thought, memory or reason to be sad to see such a store go by the wayside?
 

Bob Jones

Still truckless now farther away
#63
I still have my 2008 copy which was the last one they mailed to me after years of trading in the Tigard store. I used to have the 12 years prior to this one but when we moved too many things had to go. I made notes in the borders and pages of things I wanted to try and things Randall or Randy and others told me at the store besides the notes of what I was needing for the various sellections. I never was able to make it to the seattle aarea stores after we move and usually ordred by mail from Tigard.
 

gt

Active Member
#64
hey mumbles you still have trouble reading and comprehending???? kaufmans was my home shop since shortly after they opened their doors on hwy 99w in tigard. having spent thousands of dollars with these folks i find their demise disturbing but not unpredictable. amusement is the furthest emotion i can think of having had good times and wonderful fishing adventures with several of the original staff. those of us who frequented the shop and have followed along over the course of the last 42 years have seen their business change over time could sense the end was around the corner. hope that makes some sense to you mumbles, but i won't hold my breath.
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#65
Lugan, Kent and co., it's Becker..
I'm not so worried about any paid vacation (I appreciate that! but am fairly weened from the notion and concept) as I am the whereabouts of all the customers who went missing following the Fall '08 "crash". I'm serious. From that point, on, the usual traffic volume was abruptly missing, only to dwindle gradually from there to virtually nothing (unless you count "saddle hackle chicks" and "generally wanderin' downtown shoppers").

And, yes, it got to the point where it was definitely "surreal". For 30 months I listened to everybody chanting "recovery slogans" in the face of strong evidence to the contrary, and I think Lance was really hoping those "hopes" would come true (all prevailing evidence, viz. "nosedive", to the contrary). I don't mean to sound 'negative', but when the ship is going down, does "oh, it'll bob back up" really help? Or at some point is it a better idea to face and deal with a worsening crisis? Anyways...

In the end, I got Lance to agree to let me go due to lack of work the Thursday prior to the closure/seizure (whatever the heck it is), because 1) there was no work for months and, 2) I didn't see it viably turning around. I actually sensed it was mathematically impossible months beforehand, but rode it out just in case, didn't want to leave Lance hanging.. but I just couldn't sit there and try to pretend for everybody that it wasn't happening (the demise) anymore.

I can't emphasize enough how much I appreciate everyone who sought help and service at Kaufmann's over all the years I've been there, and how much I miss the days when I got to see a whole lot more of you a whole lot more. And I do want to apologize to the handful who caught me in my moments of frustration down the homestretch. Not being able to provide or help when that's why I was ever there in the first place... kinda ate me up. So to those few.. I am sorry.

Ultimately, I hope there's enough of you guys (and gals) left out there to viably support the shops we do have left standing. I'm sure the big boxes will be fine with their well-diversified offerings and market positioning. For all your differences, you're all some of the very best folks I could have ever hoped to know and serve. On that note..

Best
Kevin, if you ever need a ride to a fishing spot, let me know. You're good people.
 

gt

Active Member
#66
but some good news is another of the 'old guard' rises from the ashes: http://www.fishheadexpeditions.com/

and to clarify to the nth degree for the posters here who don't comprehend too awful well, i have no business interest with jerry and no financial involvment with his new venture. he is a great guy, however, who will make it work for you, no doubt about that. all the best to jerry as he kicks off his business.
 

Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
#67
. . . you're all some of the very best folks I could have ever hoped to know and serve. On that note..

Best
Good to hear from you Kevin and to know that you're moving on despite the obvious toll the past couple years has taken. Maybe you, Lugan and I could hit some local water if we ever manage to get nicer weather this year!

K
 

Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
#70
Apparently, it wasn't only taxes (below is thread on deposits for trips the shop collected and did not forward to travel agents, surety bond lapsing, action by the State, etc.); I have heard of this before - and the principals tend to make themselves very scarce thereafter:
That's an interesting read and sounds like an ugly situation that ended up costing some customer some serious money. Following one of the links in it led me to this thread:

http://www.west-fly-fishing.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=651927&page=3

Remember the earlier threads here on WFF speculating about Kman's Seattle store closing and how a manager named Jacob posted that they were just rumors and nothing could be further from the truth?

Here's a post from the link above that hits it right on the head:

"I STILL think we closed the first thread on Kauffman's too quick on a request from a store manager (sorry J!). Lesson learned that where there's smoke, there might be fire and the grapevine here might have saved someone some hard earned cash."​

K
 
#71
For those of you out there who lost money like I did, if interested we can file a class action suit collectively. Not that I'm lawyer happy, but it turns out they processed a deposit for a trip two days before filing for bankruptcy. That's just plain deceit and dishonesty, I don't care how loyal you might be to the store. They certainly had no morales in taking money knowing they would not deliver the product. If interested, respond to this reply at [email protected].
 

Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
#72
For those of you out there who lost money like I did, . . . it turns out they processed a deposit for a trip two days before filing for bankruptcy. That's just plain deceit and dishonesty, I don't care how loyal you might be to the store. They certainly had no morales in taking money knowing they would not deliver the product.
I'm truly sorry to hear of your loss and hope there's some way that you can recover at least something. From personal experience though, using a lawyer will likely reduce what you are ultimately able to recover by half or more.

K
 
#73
For those of you out there who lost money like I did, if interested we can file a class action suit collectively. Not that I'm lawyer happy, but it turns out they processed a deposit for a trip two days before filing for bankruptcy. That's just plain deceit and dishonesty, I don't care how loyal you might be to the store. They certainly had no morales in taking money knowing they would not deliver the product. If interested, respond to this reply at [email protected].
Good luck collecting on that. :(


Get used to it. Collect -> Spend -> Bankrupt is a pretty popular business model these days. Gotta love revenue based value.
 

gt

Active Member
#74
loss of the trip deposits is a tough one to stomach. i believe you will be classed as an unsecured debtor which places you at the very bottom of the food chain once the assests start going though the process of being sold off. unfortunately, it will be unlikely that you will collect anything at that point, but what the heck, give it a go.
 

snarlac

Active Member
#75
I'm truly sorry to hear of your loss and hope there's some way that you can recover at least something. From personal experience though, using a lawyer will likely reduce what you are ultimately able to recover by half or more.

K
Well let's be clear here - it's criminal activity and crime victims we're talking about - not just civil liability; bankruptcy filing in such cases is just a smokescreen diversion - and won't provide them significant protection; my guess is the stolen assets (trip deposits) have been transferred/hidden, the people are gone and unlikely to be seen again in the State, and possibly the country. Mexico is my guess - too many crossovers for them to hide from gyped clients in Canada.

And that (their absence) and the piece of mind that they won't ever be working again in the sportfishing biz, may be your only consolation.
 

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