NFR: And now wolves in the Teanaway drainage

dryflylarry

"Chasing Riseforms"
I used to hunt deer back in my college days, and, found it to be exciting. But, I wasn't a venison fan so I quit. My guess is the whacko's that are quacking about the wolves and how it's going to affect their hunting success could be right. But, guess they will just have to quit "road hunting" a couple of blocks from their rigs and "really" have to get up in the hills to find the smart big elk that have outwitted the wolves. So pals, no more easy hunts! Ha! Ah, but the elk will be real trophy's I bet!
 

PT

Physhicist
I used to hunt deer back in my college days, and, found it to be exciting. But, I wasn't a venison fan so I quit. My guess is the whacko's that are quacking about the wolves and how it's going to affect their hunting success could be right. But, guess they will just have to quit "road hunting" a couple of blocks from their rigs and "really" have to get up in the hills to find the smart big elk that have outwitted the wolves. So pals, no more easy hunts! Ha! Ah, but the elk will be real trophy's I bet!
You're a retired bureaucrat, as I read in one of your previous posts, so how does your hunting experience from 40+ years ago have anything to do with this conversation? Or are you just taking this opportunity to insult people in this thread who have actually made posts regarding the topic at hand. People who you may have political differences with. Ever reach across the aisle in your previous dealings or just brand folks who have a different opinion?

Still waiting for you to clarify a comment as asinine as this.

[QUOTEPut Sarah Palin in a helicopter. She'll take care of it....... I'm just hoping the helicopter will have engine trouble tho! ][/QUOTE]

Bobbleheads need only apply.
 

dryflylarry

"Chasing Riseforms"
You're a retired bureaucrat, as I read in one of your previous posts, so how does your hunting experience from 40+ years ago have anything to do with this conversation? Or are you just taking this opportunity to insult people in this thread who have actually made posts regarding the topic at hand. People who you may have political differences with. Ever reach across the aisle in your previous dealings or just brand folks who have a different opinion?

Still waiting for you to clarify a comment as asinine as this.

[QUOTEPut Sarah Palin in a helicopter. She'll take care of it....... I'm just hoping the helicopter will have engine trouble tho! ]
Bobbleheads need only apply.[/QUOTE]

I've got a very nice Steelhead print I can sell you PT. Come on over, I'll meet you in Kingston by the ferry!
 
I8, was this pack introduced? What do you know that I have not read about this pack being dropped off here by some bucket biologist? If the pack grows rapidly, kills indiscriminately and threatens other populations they can be regulated without being eradicated, no?
Yes they can. If you go back and read my posts, I'm simply stating that they usually do become a problem. If they do, we can start issuing tags to control them. I also stated that I hope it doesn't come to that, but the evidence shows that typically they do. Again, I could care less.

That being said, I will admit that I don't know that they were "dumped" into the system. However that being said, when or where have the wolves ever shown up anywhere where they were not a result of a transplant.

I think, whether you want to believe it or not, that you and I agree. Hooray for the wolves! If they become a problem, they'll have to be dealt with - not saying eradicated. Please, (meant sincerely) don't lump me in with those who want to "kill them all". Although I do understand where they are coming from. A person can sympathize with where they are coming from and still disagree. I think it's called being a "grown up". <- Not aimed at you by the way.
 
Remove mankind as an immensely over populated predator and nature wouldn't miss us in the least and would return to a state of equilibrium in no time.
And regarding the large population of Washington and the drastically altered environment:
Using that logic, who is the pest that deserves to be eradicated??
So your point is that if we just get rid of people in this state, then the predator and prey populations will work themselves out? I agree with that. It's not based on reality though. It's pointless to talk about the reintroduction of wolves into a pristine, pre-white settlement Washington.
 
Exactly! I think I read the same regarding Yellowstone. Overgrazing along the stream banks. One of the benefits of wolves, definitely. Now the willows grow, the streams are cooler, the trout are more abundant, and, larger.
Is it fair to compare the ecosystem of Yellowstone NP to the ecosystem of the Teanaway drainage or the Cascades in general. Do we have deer and elk populations so high that they're destroying streams?
 

professori

self-important blowhard!!
I don't even know how to respond to a thread like this. I already know of a wolf that was stalking a hunter last year and he was barely able to get a shot off before it got to him. If you like to go camping in the woods, just keep an eye on the wife and kids....just sayin.

Outright BS of the biggest kind. There has been 1 documented case of a wolf attack in North America in well over a hundred years. That was a starving animal on one of the Gulf Islands in Canada. Ignorance, not science is the greatest threat to wolves and all other wildlife.
 

Charles Sullivan

ignoring Rob Allen and Generic
Being a knuckle dragger ,I had to look homgenous up in the dictionary to discouver what it means. But I couldn't find the word, is your spelling correct or is it my dictionary that is obsolete?
Homogenous. My point is that to ever say liberals believe...fill in the blank and think tht the whole group thinks alike is incorrect. The one thing that "liberals" do better than any other group is disagree. It's not a religion. It's a loose partnership of people for political gain.

For the record, I did not call you a knuckledragger. No one is calling you names or belittling you here, just discussing.

Go Red Sox,
cds
 

ribka

Active Member
Outright BS of the biggest kind. There has been 1 documented case of a wolf attack in North America in well over a hundred years. That was a starving animal on one of the Gulf Islands in Canada. Ignorance, not science is the greatest threat to wolves and all other wildlife.

Yes ignorance is dangerous Professor

A woman was killed in Alaska last year by wolves while jogging. 100's of wolf attacks have been documented in Russia.

I used to believe the same fairytale after reading Farley Mowat as a child . I worked in Russia in the 90's and had a close friend the who was a fisheries biologist. He showed me documentation of many wolf attacks and deaths.

I have run into packs of wolves bowhunting in very remote areas of ID and WY some am not hunting right next to road as posters with zero experience state. My attitude has changed towards after spending time around them and seeing game killed and left uneaten by them.

In my home state of Wi a friend was grouse hunting with his dog and 2 wolves came it and killed it last Fall. No wolf hunting allowed there

Not saying exterminate them but have a management plan in place before you start introducing them. In certain areas of ID, WY and MT the wolves population is too large and the have a major problem there now.
 
Is it fair to compare the ecosystem of Yellowstone NP to the ecosystem of the Teanaway drainage or the Cascades in general. Do we have deer and elk populations so high that they're destroying streams?
According to an article in the Seattle times (Feb 2010?)...yes. There was a story about how Elk in the ONP (not the cascades) were overgrazing due to the lack of predators (wolves) and causing certain types of vegetation to become far more rare than they should be thus degraging streamside vegetation.

WOLVES ARE A NATURAL PART OF OUR ECOSYSTEM. FACT
 

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