7 Weight or 8 Weight Sage Z-Axis Spey

#1
Hi Guys - Looking at either buying a 7 weight spey or an 8-weight spey. I fish the peninsula in the winters, and want to do more summer steelheading too. Do the Methow etc but use my 8 weight single hander for this.

SO, would the 7 weight be enough power to manage the Hoh and some other rivers where I'll encounter larger steelhead? Or should i go to the 8 weight?

Thank you very much.
 
#5
I have the 8129 z-axis and haven't found any limitations... It's sensitive enough to where a 30" fish is just as fun as bigger fish and it will throw chunky winter rigs with little effort. If it's a winter rod you're after, go with the 8 weight for sure. I doubt you'll regret it.
 
#6
I have the 8129 z-axis and haven't found any limitations... It's sensitive enough to where a 30" fish is just as fun as bigger fish and it will throw chunky winter rigs with little effort. If it's a winter rod you're after, go with the 8 weight for sure. I doubt you'll regret it.
Perfect world i want a rod for summer and winter...dreamin'?
 
#7
I have both rods and I like them both for different reasons. The 7136 is a softer rod that the 8129, but still throws heavy sink tips and bunnies/intruders just fine for me. I tend to use this rod more because I like to cast it more, and that is the bulk of what we do fishing for steel! That being said, the 8129 is a bit more of a 'broomstick', but will chuck anything you put on it. It's a much faster rod, so depending on your casting style, you might naturally gravitate towards one or the other. I love the 8129 for those tight quarters, like on the Sol Duc, where I've got branches and trees wanting to interfere with my casting. I can tip cast it much easier than the 7136, and still throw big stuff. Also, when it gets windy, I use the 8129 and throw on a little bigger head.
That being said, I wouldn't use the 8129 for summer fish, it's just too much of a stick for that IMO, but it's great in the winter.

So, I hope that helps. If I had to choose just one, I think it would be the 7136, but then I know I would be missing the 8129 at times too.

Cheers,

Matthew
 
#8
I have both rods and I like them both for different reasons. The 7136 is a softer rod that the 8129, but still throws heavy sink tips and bunnies/intruders just fine for me. I tend to use this rod more because I like to cast it more, and that is the bulk of what we do fishing for steel! That being said, the 8129 is a bit more of a 'broomstick', but will chuck anything you put on it. It's a much faster rod, so depending on your casting style, you might naturally gravitate towards one or the other. I love the 8129 for those tight quarters, like on the Sol Duc, where I've got branches and trees wanting to interfere with my casting. I can tip cast it much easier than the 7136, and still throw big stuff. Also, when it gets windy, I use the 8129 and throw on a little bigger head.
That being said, I wouldn't use the 8129 for summer fish, it's just too much of a stick for that IMO, but it's great in the winter.

So, I hope that helps. If I had to choose just one, I think it would be the 7136, but then I know I would be missing the 8129 at times too.

Cheers,

Matthew
OK maybe I will get the 8129 and save up for a 7 switch or something instead. I think i will use this more on the winter rivers. Thanks for the help.
 
#9
Matthew's probably right on this... However, I do use my 8129 for summer fish because it's what I have; and although I haven't felt overgunned in all situations, I have at times over powered fish that probably would have been more fun on a 6126 or maybe the 7136. My limited experience with these rods doesn't make that statement definitive, but more likely, just an observation. Keep in mind, that's not always the case though. As Matthew explained, there may not be the perfect rod for all applications and I continue to long for something a bit lighter for summer work.
 
#10
Matthew's probably right on this... However, I do use my 8129 for summer fish because it's what I have; and although I haven't felt overgunned in all situations, I have at times over powered fish that probably would have been more fun on a 6126 or maybe the 7136. My limited experience with these rods doesn't make that statement definitive, but more likely, just an observation. Keep in mind, that's not always the case though. As Matthew explained, there may not be the perfect rod for all applications and I continue to long for something a bit lighter for summer work.
My most recent 'longing' is the TCX 6119 'switch'. That, for me, would be a perfect summer stick. Super light, throws lazer loops, and uber sensitive. I fell in love with this rod, then i had to give it back. It got me also thinking about the TCX 8119 for winter, but fortunately I haven't tried that one yet...
 
#11
My most recent 'longing' is the TCX 6119 'switch'. That, for me, would be a perfect summer stick. Super light, throws lazer loops, and uber sensitive. I fell in love with this rod, then i had to give it back. It got me also thinking about the TCX 8119 for winter, but fortunately I haven't tried that one yet...
I need a trust fund... Anyone willing to adopt an employable 31 yr. old with a fishing addiction?
 

Klickrolf

Active Member
#14
One major point that you're all discounting (or missing) is the fact that every steelhead, whether wild or hatchery, should be landed and released (or knocked on the head) as quickly as possible. I assumed the 7 or 8 would be of equal length, now I see the 7 is a 13.5' rod and the 8 is a 12'9" rod. This reinforces my opinion. You will land fish quicker with the 8, unless you don't care and like to drag things out. Steelhead are not toys!...none of us should choose a lighter rod because we want more of a thrill. The difference between a 7 or 8 of equal length and demeanor is minor, but if the 7 is a softer longer rod the difference can be notable.

If you're over-gunned you can't lose, if you're under-gunned both you and the steelhead lose!
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#15
I have cast the 9140, 8129, 7136 and 6126. I favored the 8129 for winter casting applications and don't find it a broomstick like Matthew. He is a very good caster, so I likley use a lot more grain weight to impart more feel and easier casting mechanics for my lack of skill.