Skagit user gone Delta

#31
For a long time, I thought that "cut the tip back for some feet, then add a loop" was pretty much the whole story for converting a spey line to cast sinking tip. Recently I've found that my 6/7 Airflo Delta will cast a modest weight sink tip or floating tip as is. The reason is that Deltas have a thicker tip than some other brand lines. And that's why we cut lines back: not to shorten them, but to make the looped tip end thicker, more able to transmit the weight of a sinking tip. Not everybody has a micrometer or electronic scale lying around, but if you're into spey, you need these basic tools. For a start, it's likely that a Delta will handle sink tips of moderate weight, say under 100 grains. My Delta's tip is .046". Tips in the mid-fifties can handle most attachments, and tips above .065" handle those "logging chain" sinktips, if and when they're needed.
 
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golfman65

Guest
#32
Back from my trip..my go to line is the nextcast FF cut for tips...fished any size fly, casts amazingly..less striping....Throw the dry tip on for skating bugs...throw on delta tips for everything else...used to think you couldn't throw big bugs but you can...Learned a valuable lesson from the steelhead gods I fished with...Fly doesn't matter, learn to fish it...I've been retarded...what a difference...

Skagits will be there for emergency use..but that's all...
 

Ian Broadie

Flyfishing is so "Metal"
#36
Back from my trip..my go to line is the nextcast FF cut for tips...fished any size fly, casts amazingly..less striping....Throw the dry tip on for skating bugs...throw on delta tips for everything else...used to think you couldn't throw big bugs but you can...Learned a valuable lesson from the steelhead gods I fished with...Fly doesn't matter, learn to fish it...I've been retarded...what a difference...

Skagits will be there for emergency use..but that's all...
If they weren't so expensive and hard to come by I would cut my FF 45 for tips, I think it would be a total tip throwing beast.
 

SpeySpaz

still an authority on nothing
#37
For a long time, I thought that "cut the tip back for some feet, then add a loop" was pretty much the whole story for converting a spey line to cast sinking tip. Recently I've found that my 6/7 Airflo Delta will cast a modest weight sink tip or floating tip as is. The reason is that Deltas have a thicker tip than some other brand lines. And that's why we cut lines back: not to shorten them, but to make the looped tip end thicker, more able to transmit the weight of a sinking tip. Not everybody has a micrometer or electronic scale lying around, but if you're into spey, you need these basic tools. For a start, it's likely that a Delta will handle sink tips of moderate weight, say under 100 grains. My Delta's tip is .046". Tips in the mid-fifties can handle most attachments, and tips above .065" handle those "logging chain" sinktips, if and when they're needed.
Mac hit the mark here. I like those numbers. if .060 won't turn it over, you need to go back to casting school. 101.
You'll find that casting tips off a longish belly requires stroke adjustments, particularly in the sweep and set. But it's great fun.

The FF45 is indeed a monster, and a simple cut/weld/loop job will allow it to handle most substantial tips. Admittedly Ian, leaving it whole has its own beauty, I appreciate the feeling. That is a dryline screamer.
 

Ian Broadie

Flyfishing is so "Metal"
#38
Even though I fish Skagit heads a ton no one will ever have to convince me of the awesomeness of the Delta Spey.

I was a practice dummy for a friend whose taking up photography and a couple pictures turned out pretty cool.
 
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golfman65

Guest
#40
Ian,(or Ted Neguent) I talked to simon and he made me the ff with the removable floating tip...Head only..Think they are going to sell as the wa 45 or something...The floating tip on and it's a grease lining or dry bug skating beast....I asked him to make it to handle 85-90 gr tips and it just launches off my rod...fished big rabbit strips to small classics...throws all!!!

The funny thing is and I know it's been discussed ad-naseum on here is I had zero problem fishing this line up in the bush or on a high bank with trees...just dump a perry in front and smooth it out...or do the Henrik Mortensen face the bank single spey thing...

If you want, PM me and I'll get the length and dia. of where he put the loop on mine..
 

Ian Broadie

Flyfishing is so "Metal"
#41
The FF 45 is fantastic in tight quarters and with tips I think it could possibly out perform the multi-tip Delta Spey as an all around jack of all trades line.

Oh an no Ted Neguent references... I cannot describe how much of a talentless monkey spanking tool I think he is. :D
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#42
If a Delta is a standard short belly line, around 50-55' depending on weight, that should be a good all around Spey line. I use short bellys for floating line fishing, less line stripping, great mending, although not as good in the wind for me. But then, wind always trips up my casting.

Sg
 

Klickrolf

Active Member
#43
Ian,(or Ted Neguent) The funny thing is and I know it's been discussed ad-naseum on here is I had zero problem fishing this line up in the bush or on a high bank with trees...just dump a perry in front and smooth it out...or do the Henrik Mortensen face the bank single spey thing...QUOTE]

Throw the poke out there a bit and you'll find the delta will do well with minimal room behind. It's all about adjustments for the situation. Throw the poke out a bit farther or reduce the delivery angle, it can be done 90 degrees across with most of the loop in front...if the poke is sufficiently out front.
 

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