2-handing overhead from the beach.... couple questions....

I see several people are already going down this route. My next question would be: it says "5wt" on it, but does it fight fish like a 5 weight? I know that the grain window is similar to a 7 weight SH rod, but I also understand the casting mechanics are different, but does it feel like a light rod?

Man, if the TCX was an 11' this would be a no-brainer.


Ed Call

Well-Known Member
Are you really casting a 7wt line on that poor 5wt zaxis? I've seen you cast and you're not near as bad as your self flagellating demeanor suggests. If you lined down and sped up on that fast rod with a quick stop wouldn't you get some more distance man?
I've used the 6wt and 7wt lines and like them both. Pure distance I favor the 7wt. Used for two handed casting I favor the 7wt. Pure overhead the 6wt is likely better, but I suck, so the extra grain weight works. What the hell do you care? You don't even travel with your wading boots.
I cast a 6 wt. Outbound on my 5 wt. Z-Axis. I also have AFS and Scandi lines for it. I usually use the Outbound on the beach but I have also used a 7 wt. 40+ and Outbound. I like the 6 wt. better.
First and foremost casting a two hand fly rod over head is not hard just a little different.
The Sage Z-Axis 5 weight of the Sage TCX- 5 weight rod are both excellent choices for working overhead. I have both rods on the TryRack and use them on the Day On The River Program.

The big aspect of overheading a two handed fly rod IMHO is the line.

Here is the problem and that is hang time ( the amount of time that the line has to hang in the air after the pause in the back cast). For this one reason I opt for lines ( shooting heads mainly (by definition a shooting head is any fly line which by designed is made to draw shooting line out the guides during the shooting phase of the cast)).

So my beach line for a two handed fly rod usually in quite a bit lighter than my normal Speyline.
I prefer very stiff running lines for overhead work to assist in keep the head in flight and level in the back cast.

A good line to start for either of the two rods is a Rio Floating Outbound Short in 6wt 235 grains head that is 30 ft long and I add a 15 ft poly leader.

When single hand casting we have to allow for the haul timing,line being fed up in the back cast to increase the line tension during the back cast, and hang time. All three are need to load the rod deeper for medium to long casts.

With a two handed fly rod we simple remove the double haul.
The feed up line is held in the upper hand and lower hand is used to trap the rest of the running line.

This simple method allows for cast to be made with ease to most fishing situations in the salt water.

For two handed casting from the beach I opt for a Belgium casting Style (casting in a oval rather than a straight line)( the TCX loves this cast) and you do not need as long of back cast. I Went to this cast when beach fishing with some board members a Kayak point this year as a young woman about lost her bikini top with one of my long back casts.
In the Belgium Cast feed up is one on the initial cast and there is no need for false cast which means time fishing and less time casting.

My Beach outfit of choice is Zpey 11ft 7wt with a 6 wt Rio Floating Outbound Short , a Zpey Fusion Shooting Head Full Sinking 1/2 which weighs in 221 grains and intermediate poly leader and a Guiding full intermediate 45 foot shooing head weighing at 254 grains for really long casting. I like the Zpey Switch rods for a couple of reasons
one I am a Graphite Junkie, second you can take the bottom handle off the rod to allow for clean feel when single hand casting and third they just feel right.

If you have any question just e-mail me at speyschool@comcast.net
Thank you very much for the lengthy reply Speybum.

that was incredibly informative. I will throw both into the xmas hat and see what I turn up with.

thanks everyone.