Thinamabobbers kind of suck. What's better?

#76
I am not saying there is anything wrong with bobber fishing, I do it myself (as little as possible) nymphing for trout but I personally seem to be offended with this applied to steelhead. In the first place when we use bobbers, whether foam, balloons, whatever we r BOBBER fishing. That is fine but it is not flyfishing just as using a weighted bobber with a fly and spinning reel is not flyfishing. As I said I only seem to have a problem when this is applied to steelhead, not sure why but there it is. If you want to flyfish for steelhead u should do that, if u want to bobber fish then just use the proper reel and line and call it what it is, bobber fishing. Let's face it the reason people fish bobbers for steelhead withflyrods is because they don't have actually use any skill , just lob the bobber out there any way u can and wait for the fish and bobber to do all the work. It is a seductive method as it makes so easy to get a fish. Back when I guided (drift fisherman) long before flostfishing with bobbers was popular I would routinely rig a bobber setup for wives, kids and girlfriends ...cause it takes almost no fishing skill compared to other methods. Again I realize I am hopping on the elitist wagon here and I am not one but I honestly can't help being a little upset when I see bobber fisherman on the NF stilly... If u want to bobber fish head for reiter. When I began flyfishing steelhead , on the stilly in the early seventies, it was a huge personal triumph to stop tossing eggs at summer runs and fly fish them even though all my trout fishing for trout had be ff for quite a while. I am not really saying anyone is doing anything wrong just that I don't like to see it used on steelhead. I also don't try to fool myself when using a float on trout...I know I am bobber fishing not flyfishing. I gues it is the same argument that a crossbow is not bowhunting. Sorry had to get that off my chest
You're beating a dead horse from a long, tired, drawn out debate. I don't care your opinion of what I do. I swing 90% of the time. I nymph and gear fish the other 10%. Don't say I don't have "skill" because I use these methods. I think that my ability to adapt and be more diverse as an ANGLER makes me more skilled than I would be if I clung to a narrow minded view of how to cover the water.

Don't turn this thread in to what every other thread about nymphing turns in to. Jesse started this thread for advice about indicators... If you have nothing to contribute to his question, then keep it to yourself. If you want to debate it, start your own thread. I don't care if it's fly fishing or not; when I do it, I enjoy it.
 
#77
Hello Kitty combined with the understanding of what a drag free drift is without your bobber having a flag to tell you certainly helps. :)
Wait my mind is melting. I thought if you attach the bobber and lob it out into the river you just reel in epic steelheads all day? Am I not correct!!?? :confused:
 

Blue

Active Member
#79
#80
I am sorry if this has been covered before I did not know, I had hoped I made it clear I was not criticizing the technique as such but mostly remarking on my reaction to it as far as steel heading goes. I was surprised that it affects me this way as I am not an elitist ...at least never have been. perhaps u use that method because u envoy it, that's fine , I personally use a bobber for trout as an easier way to catch fish than FF. Simply my personal take on this and I don't expect anyone to care or agree. Some drift fisherman don't like pulling plugs some FF only use dries. That is all fine and their business I also was not saying u or anyone else has no skill, how would I know? What I was saying is a bobber that suspends a weighted fly at a certain depth is easier than the other methods we can use. At least I find bobbers easier. If I pulled that highjacking the thread thing I will watch that in the future, I am not too up on forum etiquette.
 
#81
i dont understand how indicator nymphing is any "easier" then fishing a dry fly or swung fly.

you still have to mend, read water, present in dead drift (or slower then dead drift). combine in buckets that or 40 feet on the other side of the current, stack mending, getting the flies to the proper depth, etc... you also have to be fast on the hook set alot of the time. sure there are spots where it is super easy, but there are also perfectly even swing runs where you barely even have to make a mend.

and to claim swining is HARDER? less effective, maybe. harder, not so much. select a fly and tip, cast, mend, maybe lift some of the line off the water. look around smoking ur stoogie, watch some bald eagels. step downstream and repeat... set the hook when you hear ur drag start to sing...

with that said, im lookin forward to testing some of the new bobbers in this thread.
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#82
I've always thought the same thing, Dustin. It fits with Evan's post earlier about being an angler who is capable of catching fish via a wide variety of methods rather than narrowly and artificially constraining himself.
 
#84
I tried the sku-it indicators for half a day. My buddy used the balloon indicator and it lost the air twice. He took it off in frustration. The trapped air ones are "ok". But the round shape doesn't provide vertical information on whether the flies are fishing correctly.
Hi, John here with Depth Skru, we have the gradual air loss problem figured out and rectified. We had been cutting the threads through the valve seat which created a little tiny place for air to leak out. It's gone now. Give me your address and I will send you some to sample again. The verticle shape is good information to have. We can make the balloons so they are oblong instead of round. I played with that once before and liked it myself. If you want to be a "tester" I will make you some that way. Email me at [email protected] if you are interested
 
#85
i dont understand how indicator nymphing is any "easier" then fishing a dry fly or swung fly.

you still have to mend, read water, present in dead drift (or slower then dead drift). combine in buckets that or 40 feet on the other side of the current, stack mending, getting the flies to the proper depth, etc... you also have to be fast on the hook set alot of the time. sure there are spots where it is super easy, but there are also perfectly even swing runs where you barely even have to make a mend.

and to claim swining is HARDER? less effective, maybe. harder, not so much. select a fly and tip, cast, mend, maybe lift some of the line off the water. look around smoking ur stoogie, watch some bald eagels. step downstream and repeat... set the hook when you hear ur drag start to sing...

with that said, im lookin forward to testing some of the new bobbers in this thread.
Might not be easier to perform, but it sure is easier to get into fish under a bobber. I can almost guarantee a fish or two when nymphing glo bugs. I'll be happy to get 2 or 3 fish this winter on the swing, and thats spending 95% of my time swinging.

That said give the frogs hairs a try. Like you said, they turn on end when the drift is right(even different colors on each half) and are super sensitive. Cast better than the bubble types and don't mess with your leader. I do run 2 dots on the bottome side of it so it can't slide down though. Just make sure you get lots of the rubber dots as they are a 1 and done kind fo deal.
 
#86
Hi, John here with Depth Skru, we have the gradual air loss problem figured out with our screw-on valved balloon indicators. We had been cutting the threads all the way through the valve seat which created a little tiny "tear-out" in some cases where the air could slowly leak out. It's fixed now. Give me your address and I will send you some to sample again. The verticle shape is good information to have. We can make the balloons so they are oblong instead of round and stand up. I played with that shape once before and liked it myself. If you want to be a "tester" I will make you some that way. Email me at [email protected] if you are interested.
 

Uboatman

Is it possible to fish, surf and golf all at once?
#87
Now that some of the drama has subsided re indicator fishing in whatever form, I thought I would add that I have run these fish pimp indicators and thought they were ok and did the trick. easy to adjust and doesn't mess with your line (kinks, knots etc). I dont work for them or anything, but the name cracks me up and when I saw these guys at a show they had a schpeel on how you pimp your nymphs.. was hilarious and makes for a good tee shirt/ hat.

http://www.fishpimpco.com/

Damn, I do want to thank you guys as I am going to go drag a bobber for some steelies since apparently it is a sure thing ;) not proud here! :)
 
#88
Damn, I do want to thank you guys as I am going to go drag a bobber for some steelies since apparently it is a sure thing ;) not proud here! :)
I personally find myself more challenged when I nymph for steelhead. Usually because I'm trying to work more complex water, or water that requires a very specific, precise drift in order to get the fish to notice. It's not as cut and dry as most would like you to think.
 

Uboatman

Is it possible to fish, surf and golf all at once?
#89
I nymph for steelies and still have a hard time. Totally agree. I was just having some fun with it.
 

hydrological

beads are NOT flies and snagging is just ghetto
#90
yes they do suck. try an old school yarn indicator. not premade, just a hunk o yarn separated and clove hitched into leader. doesent kink, easily adjustable,stealthy, and casts soooo much nicer. lightest alternative yhere is, and can be lifted off the water for tightline drifts. i use it for all but the heaviest rigs, and for that baloons. but its still a bobber.:)
 

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