Scadden pontoons.....

BDD

Active Member
#91
That's assuming that they're made in China. If they're made in the U.S. they don't have to say jack shit.
Apparently some are assuming that they're made in China because a couple new posters ( counting one that's been banned from here and is now posting under a different name) say so, and because Bdd didn't get the answer he wanted when he called up NFO. Hey BDD, are your boats made in the USA?
Mojo,

Our frames are 100% built in WA, USA. We use pontoons from China and USA. Our stripping baskets, aprons, straps, and some of the hardware is made in USA. Our floors are made in USA. If you want an ALL USA made pontoon boat, we can do that. In fact, we should have that particular model up soon.

As far as my call to NFO, I didn't have any pre-determined answer that I was looking for or wanted...I was simply curious as to where the products are built, rather than rely on internet posts that may or may not be true.
 

PT

Physhicist
#92
Davit, I'm not attempting to moderate. Threads degrade because people drift off on their own personal fuss fests and that perpetuates. The thread was opened for what appears to be different reasons. I don't give a rat's ass who's boat anyone buys. I really don't care. I just am not as impressed by the bash and slash approach. Clearly Dave Scadden's customer service is not what we've seen from other companies, myself included. We can keep bashing, or we can actually assist Tschu with some positive information about whatever company you prefer (Sotar).

I don't know Scadden. I do have three of his boats. I have them becasue I want them for my fishing needs, not whitewater or hard core guide needs. I did not buy them relying on his customer service. I went in eyes wide open. His 14'9" pontoons are half as heavy, maybe even lighter, than my 14' maxxons. That is a good thing when you are one dude moving a boat around because your kids are too small to help you much. Lightweight has its benefits, and if getting on the water more with my girls are that benefit, I'm in.

Clearly Scadden needs to hire better people. He'd benefit by better communicators, yourself perhaps? Hed benefit by more trustworthy staff that would not allegedly steal his ideas/designs, yourself perhaps?

Regardless, I'd rather hear you sing the praises of Sotar than the slinging of Scadden. Anyone that's been here 20 minutes or can use the search function can find out that not all customer service related groups are the same.

Bash on brother, if that is what makes you feel fine as frog's hair.
Etwood, go back and point out all the mud slinging I've done in this thread. If you can point out anything other than me saying their customer service is as bad as it gets, have at it. I posted 1 picture and said I like my WM. Dig into this as deep as you'd like. Write another novel if that makes you feel better.
 

PT

Physhicist
#93
Ed, how 'bout you spout off on the direction the Hoh thread went, or the shooting in the national park, or the get a life thread because it definitely veered off path from the original post? Or, just re-read this thread and then try to moderate me again. I'll just click my heels together and hopefully me and Toto will be back in Kansas.
 

Blue

Active Member
#95
Mojo,

Our frames are 100% built in WA, USA. We use pontoons from China and USA. Our stripping baskets, aprons, straps, and some of the hardware is made in USA. Our floors are made in USA. If you want an ALL USA made pontoon boat, we can do that. In fact, we should have that particular model up soon.

As far as my call to NFO, I didn't have any pre-determined answer that I was looking for or wanted...I was simply curious as to where the products are built, rather than rely on internet posts that may or may not be true.


I know some do not want to believe it, and that is life, but I to do my research as we discussed earlier. I am just a satisfied customer (thanks PT) and I am only one telling you I know where the boats (frame and Pontoon) are made. As for the Accessories (bags, Seat, Oars) I am told you have your choice there as well. He has a wonderful seat made in New Mexico (note the NEW) but he tells me everyone prefers the China made due to price difference.
If Dave wants to keep the origin of his product a secret from a receptionist or a packing/shipper, how is that bad?
 
#96
I know some do not want to believe it, and that is life, but I to do my research as we discussed earlier. I am just a satisfied customer (thanks PT) and I am only one telling you I know where the boats (frame and Pontoon) are made. As for the Accessories (bags, Seat, Oars) I am told you have your choice there as well. He has a wonderful seat made in New Mexico (note the NEW) but he tells me everyone prefers the China made due to price difference.
If Dave wants to keep the origin of his product a secret from a receptionist or a packing/shipper, how is that bad?
BUT HE CAN'T KEEP IT A SECRET FROM CUSTOMS,DOH!
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Blue

Active Member
#98
BUT HE CAN'T KEEP IT A SECRET FROM CUSTOMS,DOH!
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I believe we already talked about these three. It was a SPECIAL order. The gentleman wanted these, Dave provided these. That says nothing about the thousands, maybe millions he has sold. Why are you having such a hard time with this?
There is an answer for everything you and your alias come up with but you ignore them. You wait awhile and repost that crap and guess what, same answers.
 
#99
here is my two man fishing rig now- its a hyside 10 footer that weighs 50# with about 45# of frame on it. I bought the raft used for $800 on craigslist, and the frame on closeout for $350 and the oars from a buddy for $200. now I have a easily broken down light weight fishing boat that fits easily in the trunk of my jetta, and I can put together myself, carry easily, and has whitewater level construction and safety. while it does take some looking, I know of two rafts like this available on the used market for $700-900 right now.
Cool little boat
 

LCnSac

John or "LC"
One reason I enjoy this forum is the amazing civility of the regular posters, and their willingness to help. I can't even begin to thank Blue and Mojo enough for they time they've given me, prior to and after my purchase of my Scadden Renegade.

I don't know if some of these "new" posters know how bad they look with their comments. I would guess some of them are competitors, or affiliated with competitors. Thumbs up to BDD for full disclosure and what seems to be a fair assessment of his products. I would do business with this man.

I think I'm a typical Scadden purchaser. I have no interest in anything beyond Class II. I've done the whitewater kayaking and loved it, but with blown out rotator cuffs those days are over. I'm a fisherman now. If I wanted to do anything more than Class II, I'd certainly want a heavier duty boat.

We just saw a video of a Water Skeeter navigating a Class IV rapid, and I'm pretty sure Scadden boats are a notch above, but who would buy a Scadden boat for the main purpose of running Class III+ - V rapids? Probably no one.

I think the quality is pretty good for the money. $1000 for a fully equipped 9' frameless boat isn't a bad deal, and the resale is excellent. The front office is disorganized, but I think they mean well. I've met Scadden and he's a nice guy, albeit a bit of a promoter. His boats are well designed and a good value, IMO. I'd definitely buy another.

There are a lot of good builders in the industry, and there are several niches. I think you compare Scadden to Outcast and Bucks, not to Sotar. Different uses, different buyer, different price points.

Thanks again to those that add value to this great forum.
 

Blue

Active Member
Thank you so much LC. Thems some very nice words.
I agree with you 98%iagree (you know the 2% thing). You put it very well, and no one assumed you work for NFO...BONUS! LOL

Thanks again.
 
LC,
I share your sentiments. If I need to scratch the whitewater itch, I'll hire a guide. Did likewise after retirement when I considered the purchase of a blue water 42' off shore SV. After the initial cost, maintenance, storage, South Sea pirate problems, Canal and berth fees it was easier to charter a two week barefoot cruise. Itch satisfied.

Being new to the world of pontoons, all the mud slinging makes an intelligent purchase all the more difficult. Personally I don't care who stole who's ideas, who's the most articulate speaker or self promoter, which boat is an overrated Class V craft, who keeps secrets from their employees, or whether the parts have labels of origin or not. I am interested in a pontoon craft that will support me, my Lab, fishing gear and snack, a battery and Motor Guide on still waters and slow rivers.

The only single person Outcast that fits my needs appears to be the Power Drifter. Mr Scadden suggested his Rampage.

Any thoughts from you or anyone else?

Buzz
 

LCnSac

John or "LC"
Based on your desire to carry the lab and a motor, I would look at two. First, the Rampage. That is a bump up from my Renegade. Disadvantage is it weighs another #10 and is a little more cumbersome to portage. Advantage is room, and more room. Very nice, although the Rene is more than ample for my needs. The other, which is probably the best choice but a bump up in price is the Assault XX. Blue can speak to that one as an owner, but you have a Rampage sized boat that is enclosed with plenty of room and you can motor forward which you really can't in a Rampage as the inflatable seat gets flooded and it's just not comfortable or efficient. Going U-shape first is fine with me though, and if I get really lazy I can motor troll for an occasional break from kicking.

I cannot speak to the Power Drifter, except it's framed vs. frameless, weights over twice as much as a Rampage or Assault XX while having much less capacity, and costs less than either. If portability is not a consideration, it would probably be fine, and Outcast quality is never a question.
 

Blue

Active Member
I answered the same. Rampage or the Assault XX. But must not of sent. Question, how do you attach a motor to that Outcast?

I like the floor but I like having fin power more. The small moves, holding in the wind, lining up a cast, plus good exercise.
 

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