Wolves on the Westside?

#16
I came across two wolves while backpacking in the Pioneers in Central Idaho (just north of Ketchum/Sun Valley). They were a lot bigger than I thought they would be and I wasn't intimidated by their presense - I was more along the lines of, "Wow! I just saw two wolves!"
 

scottr

Active Member
#24
Not sure I understand the obsession with killing wolves.
Wolves are a controversial species because their reintroduction to the west was done for altruistic reasons with one set of stake holders (environmentalists) without considering the impacts on other stake holders (e.g. Ranchers & hunters).

Like any wild species, wolves need to be managed to mitigate conflicts with humans. This has come after the fact with wolf reintroduction so there are a lot of people with strong opinions on the subject.
 
#25
Wolves are a controversial species because their reintroduction to the west was done for altruistic reasons with one set of stake holders (environmentalists) without considering the impacts on other stake holders (e.g. Ranchers & hunters).

Like any wild species, wolves need to be managed to mitigate conflicts with humans. This has come after the fact with wolf reintroduction so there are a lot of people with strong opinions on the subject.
Of course.

I totally understand that they were reintroduced and are now having some negative impacts on ranchers. And I can understand work being done to either thin out or move those packs that are causing the most trouble for ranchers.

There are two things that are odd to me--the attitude that the only good wolf is a dead wolf (which maybe isn't as prevalent as it seems, I don't know). I just have seen so many nasty signs/shirts/adverts that amaze me with their crassness.

Secondly, I think it is really funny when hunters whine about how wolves are making hunting more difficult for them, either by killing off game or by making game more wary/spooky. It seems to me that, essentially, these types of hunters are complaining that the "natural order of things" (and I put that in quotes because I know it's a loaded statement) makes it to difficult for them to hunt. They want hunting to be easier for them, so they want to get rid of the wolves.

Imagine the analogies in fly fishing, and you can see how ridiculous it is.

Jason
 

martyg

Active Member
#26
Of course.

I totally understand that they were reintroduced and are now having some negative impacts on ranchers. And I can understand work being done to either thin out or move those packs that are causing the most trouble for ranchers.

There are two things that are odd to me--the attitude that the only good wolf is a dead wolf (which maybe isn't as prevalent as it seems, I don't know). I just have seen so many nasty signs/shirts/adverts that amaze me with their crassness.

Secondly, I think it is really funny when hunters whine about how wolves are making hunting more difficult for them, either by killing off game or by making game more wary/spooky. It seems to me that, essentially, these types of hunters are complaining that the "natural order of things" (and I put that in quotes because I know it's a loaded statement) makes it to difficult for them to hunt. They want hunting to be easier for them, so they want to get rid of the wolves.

Imagine the analogies in fly fishing, and you can see how ridiculous it is.

Jason
Jason - Come on. You can't be serious. If they'd pull all of the damn rocks out of the rivers and straighten them up they'd be a lot easier to row.

Its also the reason why I only bird hunt at poultry farms.
 
#29
Of course.

I totally understand that they were reintroduced and are now having some negative impacts on ranchers. And I can understand work being done to either thin out or move those packs that are causing the most trouble for ranchers.

There are two things that are odd to me--the attitude that the only good wolf is a dead wolf (which maybe isn't as prevalent as it seems, I don't know). I just have seen so many nasty signs/shirts/adverts that amaze me with their crassness.

Secondly, I think it is really funny when hunters whine about how wolves are making hunting more difficult for them, either by killing off game or by making game more wary/spooky. It seems to me that, essentially, these types of hunters are complaining that the "natural order of things" (and I put that in quotes because I know it's a loaded statement) makes it to difficult for them to hunt. They want hunting to be easier for them, so they want to get rid of the wolves.

Imagine the analogies in fly fishing, and you can see how ridiculous it is.

Jason
One of the reasons that hunters "whine" is the fact that hunters over the last several decades have spent countless hours and amounts of money for habitat restoration and conservation for the elk herds across the western states. Through the efforts of groups such as the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, elk herds and habitat have flourished only to be decimated by the reintroduction of wolves. The elk are a staple for the wolves. To sum it up, the hunters are upset because even with all their conservation work they had no say and to a major extent still do not with respects to wolf management.

I'm not trying to get into an argument here, just showing a different viewpoint from one who has personally spent alot of time out in the woods helping collar elk and collecting data on herds for management studies. This is a controversial topic topic for all sides involved and a healthy and friendly debate of the facts is always good.
 
#30
They are here on the Westside. I take no side in this. See Wolf Sightings on Hunt WA. The link has been posted. There are what i would consider very legit pictures of a pack on the Nooksack. Hybrids or not. Pics are the Nooksack, and I see wolves.