Wolves on the Westside?

Old Man

Just an Old Man
LOL OMJ half of your posts are to bitch about something.....take those out and you would not be at 17k+.....so no not "all" posts here are about fly fishing ;)
Found out again. When you get as old as I am you got to have an outlet. This is my outlet. I live in a house full of females. The only males in my house are two fixed dogs and me. And dogs don't keep a conversation going very good.

Beside If I still lived in your state of high taxes and having to pay through the nose to fish, I would probably take up golf as fishing costs to damn much there.

And I have gone fishing twice since I last added a small burp about it.. Nobody wants to hear about an old man fishing in Montana anyway.
 

Flyborg

Active Member
Not so; they're billed through BLM where the permits are available. No question however, that grazing does damage the landscape, as I've seen it first-hand in Nevada and parts of the Sierra in CA. However, talking with ranchers in the Ennis Valley north of town, I learned that wolf predation usually takes place on land they own, not summer pastures. It figures, when Winter comes, all the hoofed animals are driven out of the high country to wintering grounds, and the wolves will follow. In Spring, when everyone needs food after a long difficult Winter, it's calving and lambing season, and those little babies are the most vulnerable. Sheep in particular are easy prey for coyotes and wolves. Coyotes are opportunists however; unlike wolves, they don't go into a sheep herd and kill dozens simply because they can!

Wolves are magnificent creatures, and speak to me of something truly wild, but they also are expanding at an alarming rate throughout the West. They've also been known to interbreed with the eastern Coyote, which is larger than the varmints we have here. Two of them, two years ago, stalked and killed an 19-year old girl in Ontario, I think it was.
I don't really disagree with anything you say. My only beef with the "wolf alarmism" is the amount of bullshit being spewed on both sides of the issue, thus my attempts to over-exaggerate all my posts on the issue in what I'd hope would be obvious tongue-in-cheek humor. That whole "hide yo' children lock the doors" mentality is fundamental retardism at it's finest. Teach your kids to respect nature, respect our role in it, and be wary of our ability to annihilate it in its entirety. All the rest falls into place pretty easily after that. Will we encounter dangerous animals in nature? For sure. Should we quit fucking with stable environments and re-introducing species that have significant impacts? Probably. Yes, they were there first, but sticking a top-level predator back in an eco-system that's just starting to recover from the previous effects of human retardation is a recipe for disaster unless you micro-manage the species population and effects.
 
Yes, they were there first, but sticking a top-level predator back in an eco-system that's just starting to recover from the previous effects of human retardation is a recipe for disaster unless you micro-manage the species population and effects.
This is the biggest problem IMO - they weren't here, and haven't been here in almost a century, so telling people they shouldn't have moved out into the back country if they didn't want to be around wolves is pure horse shit. There are now wolves within 20 miles of Spokane, Chewelah, Colville and every little town in between. There is a huge pack around Blanchard, ID...which basically means there is one on Mt. Spokane. They are spreading like crazy, and where there are conflicts, I will guarantee you that the wolves will lose in the long run.

To top it off, the WDFW is going to spend $2.4 MILLION doing impact studies, research and god knows what else over the next 6 years on the Wolf re-introduction. Sure glad that all our license and access fees are being used on this non-game species. I would guess that the majority of people who are for the introduction have paid very little into fund that is now responsible for managing them...hunters and fishermen on the other hand have had their contributions diverted away from the game that the $$$ is supposed to benefit.
 
Looks like the wedge pack is in trouble, better pull out that 301 page document called the wolf management plan to figure out what to do, have 10 meeting of the experts, 20 community forums before getting the federal sharpshooters in with the helicopters.

I sense the troubles are just beginning for your state... I feel your pain WA elk hunters.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
5shot,

You write as though wolves have been deliberately re-introduced in WA, ". . . on the Wolf re-introduction . . ." and ". . . people who are for the introduction. . .", but as far as I know, wolves have simply migrated naturally into WA from Idaho and BC. WDFW anticipated this happening, and for once proactively developed a wolf management plan in advance to deal with the issue.

If you can, would you please post the source for WDFW spending $2.4 MM on wolf studies over the next 6 years? Also, I'm doubtful about that money coming from license and access fees. The reason is because I've heard that the NON-GAME program at WDFW is the best and most reliablly funded at WDFW because the money comes from vehicle vanity license plates and is independent of hunting and fishing license fees. If that's changed I'd like to know the source of the information.

I do agree with you that where there are wolf and human conflicts, the wolves will lose. That's pretty much spelled out in the management plan.

Sg
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
I don't really disagree with anything you say. My only beef with the "wolf alarmism" is the amount of bullshit being spewed on both sides of the issue, thus my attempts to over-exaggerate all my posts on the issue in what I'd hope would be obvious tongue-in-cheek humor. That whole "hide yo' children lock the doors" mentality is fundamental retardism at it's finest. Teach your kids to respect nature, respect our role in it, and be wary of our ability to annihilate it in its entirety. All the rest falls into place pretty easily after that. Will we encounter dangerous animals in nature? For sure. Should we quit fucking with stable environments and re-introducing species that have significant impacts? Probably. Yes, they were there first, but sticking a top-level predator back in an eco-system that's just starting to recover from the previous effects of human retardation is a recipe for disaster unless you micro-manage the species population and effects.
Can't disagree with you either Flyborg; I'm sure there's plenty of alarmism floating about! Your statement about us screwing around with stable environments is absolutely right on!
 
Bullshit! You have no idea what you're talking about. I've hunted elk and deer with compound bow, traditional bow, rifle and muzzleloader, and have never encountered anything easy about it all. And as a former SEAL team sniper, yes, I'm fully capable of hitting a target at 500 yards-and have, more than once-but you have no concept of terminal ballistics, and no idea of the dedication, work, determination and difficulty it takes to bring meat home. And as far as shooting up everything moving, I've fired exactly ONE shot at an elk in my years of hunting, and that one round dropped him in his tracks. Clearly, you've never gone elk hunting, never done any serious hunting of anything given your snotty, condescending first post. Better you stick to a subject you know something about.
First off you and all of the other NRA faithful who are upset by my post really should lighten up. Don't want ya'll to mistake my colored ass in the woods for a MF deer by mistake...ooops...:cool: I for one do not actually believe hunters are gunning for elk at 500yds...lmao...in reality 150 is testing your skills. Second I will break it down further since you fellas cannot think past your skulls. Bow hunting is much harder than hunting with a gun!! I am not against hunting at all. I am against idiots who would kill off wolves so they can have better luck at hunting.Now that the record is straight I will add some salt to this over the stove made popcorn (not microwaved) and enjoy the rest of the show.
 

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