November on Puget Sound

#61
Who is to know for sure that was a derelict net? I was born and raised in the south sound and though I saw a lot of salmon go to waste, I also saw a lot of unattended nets get pulled and fish tossed in totes.

Gillnets will probably kill more wild salmon in a year than Johathan Tachell but when he complains online about seeing them all day while at the same time broadcasting his harvest of a wild salmon I can't help but to question his ethics.
You're an idiot.
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#62
Yes. And I fish with a guy who volunteered to clip coho fins up at the Humptulips hatchery last year. there weren't enough volunteers. There were zillions of fins to clip. My friend's estimate of how many fish went out unclipped was about 40%.

After hearing about that, next year I'm going to bonk every legal unclipped Coho in the Chehalis system that I manage to catch! Don't worry, though. It won't be more than a couple, since the dang beasts have already sore-armed me into laying down my coho rod and trout fishing with a 4 wt!
This year, I still might go after some "wild" Coho in a local stream. Late run beasts. Even though wild spawned, their heritage is co-mingled with hatchery stock due to past actions by the State of WA. It will be legal to bop one there, and I'll employ "situation ethics" to the question. If I see a lot of fish around, I might harvest one, if its a buck. Otherwise, I'll probably let it go.

Good job Jon for nabbing the chromer, let the moderators do their job of moderating not passing judgement. I would've whacked and stacked em all the same and posted them up with grips and plenty of grins for all to see. Let the haters hate, just keep on fishing! When we recently found that more of our Coho catches were un-clipped fish we put an inquiry into the WDFW wondering why the sudden jump of adipose fish. They said that in 2010 they did a study and didn't clip 40,000 fish to compare if it made a difference in their returns to that river. We went from many clipped fish into mostly un-clipped, and didn't want to engage in harvesting any wild fish if indeed there was a wild run on this system. That call confirmed that the run of fish were ultimately of all hatchery origins as the hatchery has been in existence for over 100 years. Point is, don't be so quick to pass judgement, there are always more side to the story than meets the eye. Jon, keep posting up your reports and pics, good job!
 

Stonefish

Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater
#63
Back in the day when the state had money, many of the popular beaches had fish checkers that would walk the beach or hang around the parking lots.
I was really suprised how many of the unclipped fish had nose tags when the checker ran the wand over them. This was when clipping was a common practice. Perhaps these fish were the basis of some type of study? I'm not sure.

One other thing I noticed this fall was how many small (4-5 lb) unclipped silvers there were from mid Sept to Mid Oct. I'm not saying that all unclipped fish during that period should be large, but the number of small fish during that timeframe was unusual based on my past observations. Alot of them looked like the clipped cookie cutter resident fish we were catching earlier in the year.
 

mtskibum16

Active Member
#64
SF, the fisheries biologist I mentioned above works with a controlled wild run of coho and they nose tag their fish for study. Not that all nose tagged fish would be wild, but some could be.

I also noticed the wave of smaller fish near the end of the run with a mix of clipped and not-clipped specimens. They certainly looked and fought more like the earlier wave of hatchery fish.
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#65
Is WDFW still releasing hatchery raised Coho smolts into streams with no hatchery or collection facility on them? In the very recent past, the kids in my local area high school have been helping to raise Coho fingerlings, and they have released those into a local stream, the Johns River, which has no hatchery or collection facility. Any of those returning hatchery fish that escape can try to spawn. As a result, there probably aren't any 100% pure native Coho left in that stream. The hatchery run isn't finished when Dec 1st rolls around, although the fishing closes for them.
After the close of Coho season not many years ago, I went up there trying for hatchery steelhead in the first few days of Dec. I caught a beautiful chrome hatchery Coho hen not too far above tidewater. I had to release her, per The Regs.

Oh! Ha, Ha! silly me. I forgot about the good ole boyz that stil go back in there at night and snag 'em all out of their snaggin holes.. sort of an unofficial, underground, and highly mobile "collection facility."
 

Kcahill

Active Member
#66
Is WDFW still releasing hatchery raised Coho smolts into streams with no hatchery or collection facility on them? In the very recent past, the kids in my local area high school have been helping to raise Coho fingerlings, and they have released those into a local stream, the Johns River, which has no hatchery or collection facility. Any of those returning hatchery fish that escape can try to spawn. As a result, there probably aren't any 100% pure native Coho left in that stream. The hatchery run isn't finished when Dec 1st rolls around, although the fishing closes for them.
After the close of Coho season not many years ago, I went up there trying for hatchery steelhead in the first few days of Dec. I caught a beautiful chrome hatchery Coho hen not too far above tidewater. I had to release her, per The Regs.

Oh! Ha, Ha! silly me. I forgot about the good ole boyz that stil go back in there at night and snag 'em all out of their snaggin holes.. sort of an unofficial, underground, and highly mobile "collection facility."
There is a book called Four Fish you should check out, I think you would get into it. Good post.

KC
 
#67
Ethically, how can you say that harvesting a wild salmon is worse that harvesting a hatchery one? The action of harvesting requires killing a fish either way.

When I was growing up, fly fisherman always seemed to be arraogant holier than thou types that fished "the right way". So many posts (especially in the steelhead forum) just reaffirm this stereotype for me. Lots of the posts here sound like they are written by fundamentalist religious fanatics.
 

Pat Lat

Mad Flyentist
#68
Theres a pretty big difference between hatchery and wild. If you don't believe so there's seemingly infinite ammounts of information on the subject for you to read through
 
#69
Theres a pretty big difference between hatchery and wild. If you don't believe so there's seemingly infinite ammounts of information on the subject for you to read through
How many people feel morally obligated to release every wild salmon while fishing in Alaska? Keeping a wild fish up there is fine right? Must be a huge difference between the two fish.
 

Pat Lat

Mad Flyentist
#70
Yes but the runs in AK aren't under the same pressure as puget sound (yet), and the south sound fish have to run the entire gauntlet before getting to their natal streams usually filled with snaggers, its amazing some even make it. If I have to point that out to you then my post is probably a lost cause; is that not common knowledge? Years ago when there was less pressure I'm sure the puget sound rivaled any other AK fishing destination. Hell why doesn't everyone just go to Alaska then, i'm sure it'll be another ten or fifteen years before they're in the same boat.And by the way there is alot of care being taken to keep hatchery populations separate from wild stocks so that the native strains aren't weakened genetically, That's right, let that one set in for a few before posting again. I even gave you a link to some info you could really use, but since I never liked doing other peoples homework I'm not going to bother posting any more for you. If you don't care, you don't care.
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=fishingHatcheriesResearch.main


I'm not condemning the original poster for keeping one, I appreciated his report, but I do think that we all need to exercise caution.
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#73
I released two wild-spawned Coho (fingerlings? smolts? whaddaya call 'em when they are "rearing" in a lake?) while lake fishing in the past week. Some determined Cohos apparently made it up thru the lake into the feeder creek and spawned. One was 7" and tail-walked for 2/3 the length of my hull! Mighty mite, it was! The other was 8" and was kind of a dud. Both looked kind of like cutthroat without throat slash marks, but with smaller mouths, and deeply forked tails. Spotted green backs. On the 8"er, I could see what looked like very faint parr marks.
 

Pat Lat

Mad Flyentist
#75
Seems to be an awful lot of opinions hiding behind psuedo-names on this thread. I discount any opinion when its hidden behind anonymity.
Seems like this post is a little out of place, if you want to express your fear of strangers start your own thread so no one can reply, besides, jim welch is pretty anonymous. are you jim welch the Massachusetts state senator or composer and sound designer jim welch, or maybe jim welch native american author? see my point