Thinking about getting into Spey

#16
Lock the wrist. Lock the elbow. Cast from the shoulder. Think of hammering a nail into a fence. If casting hurts you, it's usually because you are doing something wrong. It doesn't take a lot of muscle to lay out a nice cast, if you do it right.
 

yuhina

Tropical member
#17
Lock the wrist. Lock the elbow. Cast from the shoulder. Think of hammering a nail into a fence. If casting hurts you, it's usually because you are doing something wrong. It doesn't take a lot of muscle to lay out a nice cast, if you do it right.
Good analogy! speyfisher
It remind me that casting style Henrik teaches. less hand movement and use the body for power application. It is very interesting discussion here, I just happened to teach a 5 feet tall girl spey casting. No fly fishing experience whatsoever, few times out and she is enjoying the rhythm of spey casting. Modern lines are just getting more and more user friendly, if I have to add... Mark

 
#18
Good analogy! speyfisher
It remind me that casting style Henrik teaches. less hand movement and use the body for power application. It is very interesting discussion here, I just happened to teach a 5 feet tall girl spey casting. No fly fishing experience whatsoever, few times out and she is enjoying the rhythm of spey casting. Modern lines are just getting more and more user friendly, if I have to add... Mark
Yes, I learned a lot from Henrik. Not just from the DVD, but when he came to the Sandy Clave a few years ago. When guys like this are giving demo's, I want to be right up front where I can take in every nuance of what they are doing.

Women are a kick to teach fly casting. Especially raw beginners. They have no pre-conceived notions of what to do. Nor do they have any mucle memory, or bad habits. They just do like you tell them. Bam, they got it!
 

Ian Broadie

Flyfishing is so "Metal"
#19
Bagman,

What sort of elbow problems? Tendonistis? Is so, it doesn't matter whether you cast a single and or two handed fly rod. Either one can exacerbate tendonitis. The key is to learn to cast decently. Not expert, but decent. I'm not an expert caster, but I'm a pretty good single hand caster, and can cast all day with no elbow tendonitis issue. When I was learning to Spey cast, the harder I worked at it, the worse it affected my elbow. As I've gotten better, the problem seldom arises any more.

Learning to cast decently is far more important than the number of hands you use on a fly rod if elbow tendonitis ails you.

Sg
Yes, most correct.
 

Bagman

Active Member
#20
I took my 6wt 10' Redington out in the yard with my bug reel with 9wt Outbound line. I put out a lot of line with no false cast. My elbow did not bother me at all afterwords. I know I have a problem with my casting form but this sure felt good. I'm not trying to look good just fish and not hurt afterwords. If I fish for two hrs and hurt for 4 days what's the fun in that.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#21
" If I fish for two hrs and hurt for 4 days what's the fun in that."

Exactly. That's why becoming a decent caster is so beneficial to our long term enjoyment of fishing.

Sg
 

Bagman

Active Member
#22
I have been trying to become a good caster. I'm not sure what you mean a decent caster. Ed has been the only one to step up and try and help me. As I have no friends in WA. I would have to pay someone to teach me. Fly fishing has cost me a lot of money not knowing what I'm doing, as far as equipment goes.

" If I fish for two hrs and hurt for 4 days what's the fun in that."

Exactly. That's why becoming a decent caster is so beneficial to our long term enjoyment of fishing.

Sg
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#23
Bagman,

Decent is a relative term. I guess I'd place it at being able to cast proficiently without seeming like I'm working at it. If you're working at it, you're more likely to be straining joints and tendons that result in hurting for four days afterward.

As far as stepping up to help you learn, from what I know of folks on this forum, there are plenty who would do so. But somewhere between few and none of us know that, a. you need and want help; and b. where the hell are you? I'm not gonna' drive across the state to help someone because it's not a reasonable thing for me to do. Let your needs be known in a way that is inviting to those who are most able to help you out. Tell the forum, a. what you want; b. your location; and c. if you bring beer, lunch, Scotch, etc. This ain't rocket science.

Good luck, and I hope you make progress with your casting. Life will be so much better.

Sg
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#24
Bagman, not only is this place surrounded by lovely beaches with good access and fishing prospects, it also has a wealth of knowledgable and helpful fly anglers. Post up when you are heading out. Folks will envy your schedule in retirement, but a few will come out to play. Each will have way more to offer than I, even if you just take a few moments of break to watch them cast. You may think our weather cold, but our community is much warmer.
 

Bagman

Active Member
#25
Good point. I'm going about this all wrong. I was just talking to my wife and she said the same thing. If you were in Santa Cruz and put the word out you needed some help they would be standing in line to help you. So. I will supply Scotch, hot coffee, Brandy. Sorry no smoke I gave that up many years ago.

By the way I'm in Poulsbo. Im retired and as long as my wife says its OK I can fish any time. I'm willing to drive to meet you. Unless your in Idaho that is. Every time I go out I'm watching all of the other fly fishermen around me. Trying to pick up any pointers, that they may drop. I'm sorry I will quit wineing. I will figure this out on my own. Thanks Ed.
 
#27
I've never met Ed in person, but he has been extremely helpful on line---and the best part is he doesn't find it necessary to insult you for asking a question and seeking to improve your skills or be better informed before making a purchase.---Welcome to the area and if you ever come to the dry side of the state, drop me a note and I will try to meet up with you and have some fun.
 

Bob Triggs

Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!
#29
I'm new to fly fishing 3 months so far. I've fished quit a bit when the Slivers were in and am now having trouble with my elbo. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or I'm just old? I'm thinking overhead Spey casting maybe the answer to my elbo problems. I have a older used Loop Evotec 9/13 reel and was thinking about picking up a 8wt Spey rod to see if that would help. Anyone else have the elbo problem? Does overhead Spey casting help?
With all due respects I would suggest that you get good diagnostic help and treatment for the elbow problem before it gets worse. Good casting with any type of rod and line system will not induce and injury. And it is true that a two-handed rod an make the job much easier as you divide the work between hands and employ the leverage of a longer rod. Yet most of the coho will be caught very close to shore on the saltwater beaches, and often a single handed rod and roll cast, or a single handed spey cast will suffice.
 

Bagman

Active Member
#30
With all due respects I would suggest that you get good diagnostic help and treatment for the elbow problem before it gets worse. Good casting with any type of rod and line system will not induce and injury. And it is true that a two-handed rod an make the job much easier as you divide the work between hands and employ the leverage of a longer rod. Yet most of the coho will be caught very close to shore on the saltwater beaches, and often a single handed rod and roll cast, or a single handed spey cast will suffice.
I have had some good Diagnostic help an have been told that I'm laying my elbow back way too far. Which more then likely is the cause of my pain. I need to spend more time on the grass with someone watching. My wife can do this I just need to tell her what to look for. I had her watching me up untel it turned off cold. Now she is not very interested in going out side.
 

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