Lenore Poachers Get Theirs

#76
Stories like this remind me why our forefathers use the term
TAR AND FEATHERS. It would seem to fit here.

I know, I know, I am just another compassionate guy with a pack load of mercy....
 
#78
these signs should have been illuminated by lights, especially during late hours of darkness. If these signs were visible, a tragedy like this would never happen....it is our fault these things keep happening. ;)
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#79
Quite the contrary- we cannot walk in their shoes and yet all the comments about who they are and what they deserve would suggest that we have walked in their shoes since we "know" them so well.... Just because we know what they did wrong does not mean we know who they are..... We are all in trouble if our personal identity as human beings is reducible to what we have done wrong in our lives. Thankfully, its not..... no matter how often we want to categorize each other in this way because its easier to do this than face ourselves and our motives for judging each other in the ways that we do.

True empathy does not demand someone to be deserving of it, but recognizes they are not and yet its offered anyway.
This is what happens when you can no longer spank your children, I cannot be held responsible for my actions so there for I shall act irresponsible..
 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#81
irony again being you are treating them with the same diregard that they treated the fish.. arguably, even more so.
If you bought a fishing license in WA then these guys were stealing from you personally. That shows how much regard they have for you - personally. But, in the spirit of forgiveness I would suggest that you drive over there, give them a group hug, then give them your address and a key to your home...you know just be a wonderful human being to them and I'm sure they will respond in a positive way and enrich your existence with reciprocal kindness.

...peace man...
 

dbk

Active Member
#82
If you bought a fishing license in WA then these guys were stealing from you personally. That shows how much regard they have for you - personally. But, in the spirit of forgiveness I would suggest that you drive over there, give them a group hug, then give them your address and a key to your home...you know just be a wonderful human being to them and I'm sure they will respond in a positive way and enrich your existence with reciprocal kindness.

...peace man...
No they didn't.... no one person owns the lake, the fish, the resource we want to protect and preserve, which is a good thing, but if it comes at the cost of sacrificing a basic sense of respect for human dignity and compassion, then its not worth it. Someone showing no regard for me (if that is how you interpret it) does not give me a right to show no regard for them.... to identify them as "scum, garbage", etc... and then treat them as such. Forgiveness and compassion does not mean you enable others to persist in bad behavior, but through it we can help each other to live in a way that supports not simply MY good, but the good of everyone... the common good. Because if its not about that, then its about me and my interests alone.. it becomes personal in a way that enables people to feel they are justified in doing to others what they perceived was first done to them... which appears to be what has happened here. The lack of regard for these men as human beings, and the absence of any sense of compassion or basic human respect in so many of these posts is much more troubling than the crime these men committed.
 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#84
No they didn't.... no one person owns the lake,
The lake, the fish, the parking lot, the boat launch, etc. were/are built, maintained, stocked, whatever with the funds from your license fees as well as mine. They robbed you, me, and everybody else that bought/supported the fishery. The law prescribes a penalty for that.

The lack of regard for these men as human beings, and the absence of any sense of compassion or basic human respect in so many of these posts is much more troubling than the crime these men committed.
I wasn't a party to all this disrespect you mention, I merely suggested that you back up your rhetoric with some action - drive over there and turn the other cheek brother.
 

Jim Ficklin

Genuine Montana Fossil
#85
basic sense of respect for human dignity and compassion
Jerks who commit crimes willingly give-up their "human dignity" with the decision to do so and forfeit any right to compassion from others, myself included. I suppose that if you were on Lenore in a boat that you would have saved the fleeing "fisherman" like anyone else would have. Would you have then helped him to escape (assuming that he didn't toss you out of your boat & continue his escape unencumbered)? Had this group broken into your house, would you still be as compassionate?
 
#86
Apart from an initial reply praising the fine officers who apprehended these guys, who have apparently been breaking a law that we find important (while many others in our society could care less about), I haven't had much to say.

However, I do want to offer a mild rebuke to many of you who have replied, not in defense of the criminals who were caught in the act, but for your responses to dbk. I would urge all of you to take a deep breath and go back over his posts. It may not teach you the true meaning of empathy and compassion, but it will at least expose you to it in a genuine and thoughtful manner.

Anyone who says (I'm lookin' at you Alex, as someone who often has good things to contribute here) "I reserve my empathy for..." doesn't understand the concept of 'empathy.'

Dick
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
#87
irony again being you are treating them with the same diregard that they treated the fish.. arguably, even more so.

I don't find the treatment as irony. Reactionary perhaps but not ironic. I am still trying to find something about these guys that deserves my empathy. I have no life experiences that I can draw upon to feel empaty towards them. I seem to be unable to reach into the emotions needed to be a poacher. Without this basic understanding of what drove these individuals to poach at this level I cannot feel any empathy towards them. Having said that I think public flogging might be a compasionate punishment. Certainly more compassion then they showed the resource and the law.
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#88
irony again being you are treating them with the same diregard that they treated the fish.. arguably, even more so.
So? What you think of me doesn't concern me in the least. You clearly place more value on humans than anything else. A combat tour or two in southeast Asia will cure you of that rubbish. As I wrote earlier, humans aren't on an "endangered" list. We can stand to lose a few and I won't shed any tears, the planet will be better off, and the rest of us will have just that more in the way of resources. And before you go the way of whining about "what if that were you?", plenty of losers have tried that route; they're dead, and I'm still here. I haven't shed any tears over them either. I treat the fish with more regard than I treat criminals. So you might as well stop being an apologist for the losers of society; they have no redeeming value.

Dick, you and I will have to disagree here: regarding sympathy and empathy, my sense of these was honed in some really nasty conflicts; I gave at the "office" years ago, and reserve what little I have left for people who truly deserve it. It's my opinion of course, but I feel this nation gives way too much of both to criminals, and way too little to their victims. Some gang-banger gets capped in Seattle, and the first thing you read in the papers is "what a tragedy; he was just beginning to turn his life around!". I read that, and think "bullshit; one less piece of human garbage!
 

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