RIO Outbound Short vs. Regular

Chris Bellows

Your Preferred WFF Poster
#16
I don't KNOW for sure myself, but I have seen many posts stating that upon conversation with RIO reps, the ONLY difference between the cold and tropical versions is the package.
not true. there is a difference between the coldwater and tropical, but the coldwater and the freshwater outbound shorts are identical.
 
#18
I would love to see a picture of this if you have one
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I grabbed these at random. The line on the right and the floater were done with backing, the others with fluoro. The backing is easier to use, as it has less memory. It's simple to tie using a nail knot tool, get one at your local shop and ask them to show how to make the loop. If they don't use that system, go to PSFlyCo. They showed me to use the tool rather than a chunk of tubing. As you can see, I favor a longer loop, as I've found it closes down and lies flatter, but you'll find more guys prefer a small loop.

I also use a loop to loop to attach lines to backing, just make a loop in the backing long enough to fit over your spool, and put a loop at the back end of the line. On a small (trout sized) line one knot is enough, with 4-5 wraps. For big stuff, I'll go to two knots with 6 wraps, glue the space in the middle together with zap a gap, then cover with UV knot material. Obviously, you need a loop in the backing, either a bimini, or go back to your nail knot tool, double line and 2 knots for heavy weight use.

Again, you might want to find someone who does this often to walk you through it.
 
#19
Thanks for this--very helpful, and I'll give it a shot. Another question that I'm sure someone can help with: I'm going to retire my 6wt rio versitip line. The running line is pretty beat up and I can't say I love the way it casts. I'm thinking about going to a full floater (perhaps the rio steelhead/salmon line) then using polyleaders (fishing single handed). Can I use the versitip tips as my sink tips or is the 15' too long or have the wrong profile? Or, could they be cut shorter and rigged with the loops described by Don. Just thinking of ways to save money because the tips are in really good shape--anyone used these in any way beyond their intended use?
 

Stonefish

Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater
#20
While we're talking about Rio OutBound. Has anyone out there been suggestful in welding new loops on the running line?
Welding loops on the running line, so you want a loop to use to connect to your backing?

Or do you want a loop at the end of the head for connecting your leader. If it is the head, you can use the method Don posted or use braided mono to make your own loops and attach using a nail knot. This uses the chinese finger trap method.
http://www.danblanton.com/blog/getting-looped/
SF
 

Bagman

Active Member
#21
Welding loops on the running line, so you want a loop to use to connect to your backing?

Or do you want a loop at the end of the head for connecting your leader. If it is the head, you can use the method Don posted or use braided mono to make your own loops and attach using a nail knot. This uses the chinese finger trap method.
http://www.danblanton.com/blog/getting-looped/
SF
Good information there thank you. I was looking at replacing the loop that my good old fly shop cut off and attached my backing with a Albright knot. I find that I do prefer the Albright over the nail knot. My problem is I keep changing fly lines and a loop just makes it easier. I can weld the other lines that I've tried (except T11 that is) but with outbound I just make a mess.
 

CLO

Future WFF Mod
#22
Debating on the intermediate OB and the intermediate tip OB. Can someone enlighten me on the pros and cons of each?
 

Bagman

Active Member
#23
Debating on the intermediate OB and the intermediate tip OB. Can someone enlighten me on the pros and cons of each?
Are you talking about the Outbound Short floating/intermediate? If so I have one that I'm not really liking. I do not feel that I'm in good contact with my fly. I feel that with the wind/currents the floating line can get a bow in it and I feel the hit but can't move enough line to get a good hook set, and I try and remove the slivers lip when I strip set.
 
#25
The outbound short floating is a super sweet line for streamer fishing in rivers, and most people probably find it easier to cast off the beach if they are not very experienced casters. I prefer the short when fishing big meaty patterns for bullies and browns in rivers. The intermediate tip can be an issue if you are fishing SUPER weedy beaches because the line "probes" a little more than the full length outbound as opposed to tracking in a straight line. George Cook pointed out to me that a good caster can launch the full length outbound farther than a short, and in the hands of a good caster that might make a difference in your selection. I find the full length line more fun to cast than the short, but the short can turn over larger flies easier.

This is probably obvious to most people, but the full intermediate lines tend to hang up more on shallow beaches although probably fish a little better out of a boat/kayak.
 

CLO

Future WFF Mod
#26
The outbound short floating is a super sweet line for streamer fishing in rivers, and most people probably find it easier to cast off the beach if they are not very experienced casters. I prefer the short when fishing big meaty patterns for bullies and browns in rivers. The intermediate tip can be an issue if you are fishing SUPER weedy beaches because the line "probes" a little more than the full length outbound as opposed to tracking in a straight line. George Cook pointed out to me that a good caster can launch the full length outbound farther than a short, and in the hands of a good caster that might make a difference in your selection. I find the full length line more fun to cast than the short, but the short can turn over larger flies easier.

This is probably obvious to most people, but the full intermediate lines tend to hang up more on shallow beaches although probably fish a little better out of a boat/kayak.
Thanks for that info. As far as casting, I like the OB full more than the short. The short seems like it would be better for quick 50 feet casts and the full OB is better for distance.

Can you explain what you mean by probing? I'm interested in the difference between the ob full intermediate and int tip as far as depth and action on the fly.
 
#27
Can you explain what you mean by probing?
From my experience the OB full length strips back in in a more straight line than the Short. The short's tip sinks by itself or probes (I made that term up, I am sure there is a more technical term for it) down when allowed to "rest" in between strips, where the full outbound's whole head sinks at the same rate when rested. So the first 1-2' of a strip brings the Short back to a straight line, where the OB Full length is already there. I prefer my flies to present all the action, rather than my line which I just use for depth.
 

CLO

Future WFF Mod
#28
From my experience the OB full length strips back in in a more straight line than the Short. The short's tip sinks by itself or probes (I made that term up, I am sure there is a more technical term for it) down when allowed to "rest" in between strips, where the full outbound's whole head sinks at the same rate when rested. So the first 1-2' of a strip brings the Short back to a straight line, where the OB Full length is already there. I prefer my flies to present all the action, rather than my line which I just use for depth.
Cool so you like the full intermediate because it keeps direct contact to the fly?
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#29
The running line being intermediate allows it to sink under the chop and is less effected by currents/wind/etc. Always go full intermediate
 
#30
Cool so you like the full intermediate because it keeps direct contact to the fly?
I like the full outbound with the floating running line. If you use the full intermediate running line I find I hook the beach a ton. The full intermediate helps with chop and wind, but it is hell if you ever forget a stripping basket, or want to pick your nose or something in between strips.
 

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