So this swinging thing.

#61
Trolling indeed. I see a thread with swinging in the title, so I immediately grab my smoking jacket and pour myself a dram of 200 yr old fermented peat moss. So I'm properly fitted to engage in a gentlemanly discussion of proper fly fishing, I open the thread, and like a 2x4 to the head, I'm struck with some uncouth waxing of the imaginary virtues of bobber fishing. It's like checking in at the Ritz and opening the door to your room only to realize it's fitted with Red Roof Inn decorum.

Well done, Ira.
 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#63
I don't watch bobbers or dries or wakers or spoons or worms...those methods require me to pay attention and I would rather be jerked out of my daydream by something yanking on the line after they've done the hard work of hooking themselves.
 
#64
I don't care how you fish as long as it's legal and respects the resource. I have used beads, bobbers and (Gasp) bait (in my younger days). I often high stick dead drift nymphs or emergers, because where I do it, the steel get very trouty and actively can feed on emergers and dries and it's effective. I prefer to swing or variation of (greased line, skate dry or waked flies) because, I think, my 1st swung steel and some but not all others took my presentation with a vigor that jerked the tip into the water and she was off cartwheeling downstream before I could say "Oh, $#!T". My line was ripping a roostertail in the water trying to catch up to the leader& fish. I am always hoping to replicate that moment. Fishing is about you & the river & maybe, if everything is right, a steelhead. Do what you like and what works for you.
 

Rob Allen

Active Member
#65
I don't care how you fish as long as it's legal and respects the resource. I have used beads, bobbers and (Gasp) bait (in my younger days). I often high stick dead drift nymphs or emergers, because where I do it, the steel get very trouty and actively can feed on emergers and dries and it's effective. I prefer to swing or variation of (greased line, skate dry or waked flies) because, I think, my 1st swung steel and some but not all others took my presentation with a vigor that jerked the tip into the water and she was off cartwheeling downstream before I could say "Oh, $#!T". My line was ripping a roostertail in the water trying to catch up to the leader& fish. I am always hoping to replicate that moment. Fishing is about you & the river & maybe, if everything is right, a steelhead. Do what you like and what works for you.


I would only add two things 1. you need to treat your fellow anglers with respect as well that means sharing the water.. secondly to be out too hook as many fish as possible is not respectful of either the fish or other anglers, though this is rarely an issue. If you are having a stellar day, know when to quit don't just keep racking them up.
 

PT

Physhicist
#66
If my stellar day ends up being a 7 fish day, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There's been enough skunkings over the years to keep the numbers well in the fishes favor.

How does hooking a few fish disrespect anybody? I don't get that line of thought.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
#67
I would only add two things 1. you need to treat your fellow anglers with respect as well that means sharing the water.. secondly to be out too hook as many fish as possible is not respectful of either the fish or other anglers, though this is rarely an issue. If you are having a stellar day, know when to quit don't just keep racking them up.
And the self imposed limit is where exactly? I agree with PT, I don't buy it at all, and I don't find it disrespectful to others or the fish to hook as many fish as a I can when I can and where and how it is legal to do so. That is if no one else is there to catch them. If there are other people around and I'm doing well, I'm giving up flies and rocks and techniques to the point that other people are annoyed with me. "Full of Hubris" as one lady once said. Friendliness is in my nature.
 

Rob Allen

Active Member
#70
And the self imposed limit is where exactly? I agree with PT, I don't buy it at all, and I don't find it disrespectful to others or the fish to hook as many fish as a I can when I can and where and how it is legal to do so. That is if no one else is there to catch them. If there are other people around and I'm doing well, I'm giving up flies and rocks and techniques to the point that other people are annoyed with me. "Full of Hubris" as one lady once said. Friendliness is in my nature.


Ira.

there are two considerations... the more fish you hook, the more you are going to inflict incidental mortality.. there is no way to escape that and therefore disrespectful to the fish..

The second instance as you pointed out if there are other people around who are struggling it might be more respectful to as you suggested try to help them rather than to just keep racking up the " points"
 

Peyton00

Active Member
#71
Ira.

there are two considerations... the more fish you hook, the more you are going to inflict incidental mortality.. there is no way to escape that and therefore disrespectful to the fish..

The second instance as you pointed out if there are other people around who are struggling it might be more respectful to as you suggested try to help them rather than to just keep racking up the " points"

I dont buy the "only get your hands so dirty" idealogy either. You can fool yourself Rob, but not me.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
#72
Ira.

there are two considerations... the more fish you hook, the more you are going to inflict incidental mortality.. there is no way to escape that and therefore disrespectful to the fish..

The second instance as you pointed out if there are other people around who are struggling it might be more respectful to as you suggested try to help them rather than to just keep racking up the " points"
Yeah, and that is where your argument breaks down, sorry but if there is disrespect to the fish with incidental mortality, that could happen with one fish. That means you disrespect the fish every time you attempt to catch them. So in your own thinking none of us should fish at all, for that matter, don't turn on your lights in a hydro-powered Washington.

Again if other people are not around, then I am going to continue to try to catch as many fish as I can. I like what PT said about how it all balances out.
 

inland

Active Member
#75
Awful preachy Rob. Once some switch finally flicked in my head, steelhead fishing became fun again. The switch of 'it is what it is'. You are being inherently greedy asking others to control their behavior to your standards. It took me a while to finally realize this in my own angling. You worry about your behavior as you see fit. I will worry about mine. The next guy can worry about theirs. Conflicts will arise, as they do in all facets of life...such is the program on public rivers. As it should be.