[Paul Huffman]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/nov/17/about-200-steelhead-die-at-north-idaho-dam/

 

[gone johnson]

Wow! I wonder what the velocity of the water is exiting those turbines?

 

[Salmo_g]

Water velocity exiting turbine draft tubes is attractive to steelhead. One problem that can occur is the shear zone that develops between the fast water coming from the draft tube and adjacent slow or still water. The other thing that can happen is if a turbine trips off line. Instead of being under load and removing most of the energy from the water it can go into a free spin. A fish caught it that would be like getting shot from a cannon.

This seems so typical of the Corps - make a change at a project and not bother to think about the effect that change might have on fish, until after it effects them.

 

[jeff bandy]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...22SZFVPbL6tg70Lmg&sig2=pN1sLlMqSdyJ0Ln_LSCBFQ
Interesting read on how that came to be. Wonder if there will be any changes to how returning fish are handled now.

 

[5119]

Fuck these dams in particular!


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[DeadandBloated]

I am with everyone that any fish is a loss, but if one takes the devil's advocate on these things..the dam is serving some purpose I suppose for something well intended to one party--or us all as electricity or irrigation for crops to feed our kids and us...and the title could easily have read "200 wild steelhead die in the Hoh for hero shots only" and that is zero good for anything but egos.
I totally see the point of pointing it out, but always good for us to be aware what we do when we catch and release more than a fish or two a day. I really cringe when I read the reports of guys catch and releasing 20-30+ sea runs a day. Why? Give the fish a break. Save that for a planter lake.

Off my soapbox.

I practice many no catch days : )

 

[freestoneangler]

I'm thinking @Tailwater would make a great forum name.

the title could easily have read "200 wild steelhead die in the Hoh for hero shots only" and that is zero good for anything but egos.

That's a good point. Certainly fish do die that have been C&R and perhaps more than some would be willing to admit. We've all seen the GoPro video clips on the web and the question one must ask is "just how much more of this goes on"?Since we don't see what happens to the fish after they swim away, who really knows. There have been fairly recent rule changes enacted that seek to minimize loss after the release -- but like driving speed limits, it seems a good many simply ignore them.

 

[Carter Burke]

That dam is by far the worst of them all. no amount of electricity is worth what we have lost. ( no not talking about these 200 fish)

 

[gone johnson]

I'm thinking @Tailwater would make a great forum name.

That's a good point. Certainly fish do die that have been C&R and perhaps more than some would be willing to admit. We've all seen the GoPro video clips on the web and the question one must ask is "just how much more of this goes on"?Since we don't see what happens to the fish after they swim away, who really knows. There have been fairly recent rule changes enacted that seek to minimize loss after the release -- but like driving speed limits, it seems a good many simply ignore them.

And certainly some folks will write a paragraph of mostly conjecture and opinion and try to pass it off as truth.

 

[freestoneangler]

And certainly some folks will write a paragraph of mostly conjecture and opinion and try to pass it off as truth.

So if what I said is not true, you are saying you know without any doubt that C&R fish never die as a result of the event.

 

[David Dalan]

I am with everyone that any fish is a loss, but if one takes the devil's advocate on these things..the dam is serving some purpose I suppose for something well intended to one party--or us all as electricity or irrigation for crops to feed our kids and us...and the title could easily have read "200 wild steelhead die in the Hoh for hero shots only" and that is zero good for anything but egos.
I totally see the point of pointing it out, but always good for us to be aware what we do when we catch and release more than a fish or two a day. I really cringe when I read the reports of guys catch and releasing 20-30+ sea runs a day. Why? Give the fish a break. Save that for a planter lake.

Off my soapbox.

I practice many no catch days : )

Dworshak was a pork project. Wiped out a huge elk overwintering area and the biggest (size, not numbers) race of summer steelhead on the planet. But on the good side it does provide a place to catch and keep 25 6" Kokanee...wheee!

The USACE has never cared about fisheries, beyond what some law, court or other agency forced them to. The USACE builds things, end of mission.

 

[gone johnson]

more than some would be willing to admit.

Conjecture.

"just how much more of this goes on"?Since we don't see what happens to the fish after they swim away, who really knows.

Conjecture.

but like driving speed limits, it seems a good many simply ignore them.

Conjecture.

There have been fairly recent rule changes enacted that seek to minimize loss after the release

Opinion.

Certainly fish do die that have been C&R

Fact.

 

[freestoneangler]

Conjecture.

Conjecture.

Conjecture.

Opinion.

Fact.

Well, you got 1 in 5 right. Under the new grading system that's reason to throw a party.

 

[gone johnson]

ahh...more opinion

 

[Jeremy Floyd]

ahh...more opinion

Wasn't it ad hominem?

 

[5119]

Wasn't it ad hominem?

As well as the straw man of the "new grading system." I'm assuming he is referring to the evil common core system. That, in and of itself is similar to the sharpshooter's or cherry-picker's fallacy.

Fallacies galore!

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